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Auto Zone PN- 42909 May be under Coastal. It's a green bucket/ List price is $44.99 Good Luck Don

 

power glide fluid

Thanks a bunch guys

 

Mobil 1 synthetic! Ran it in glide for years bracket racing without a cooler.

 

Are any of you running these oils in a lencodrive ? And if so are you seing great results also?

 

I had fantastic results with Mobil 1® ATF in a nitrous doorcar. It is a fantastic lubricant and also has anti-varnish agents, however, its flash point is 392° F well short of good hydraulic fluid or particularly of compressor oil, in addition it has friction modifiers which increase clutch slippage. For these reasons I would not hesitate to run it up to around 1500hp, but past that the other 2 would be my choice.

 

The John Deere Hy Gard also has "friction modifiers" just as a special note.

Blessings....Ron Clevenger.

(Notes from John Deere)
John Deere Hy-GARD® provides the absolute best performance and wear protection for John Deere hydraulic and transmission systems.

John Deere Hy-GARD® is recommended for equipment with either common system reservoirs or separate transmission and hydraulic systems including those with wet brakes and wet clutches.

John Deere Hy-GARD® is an exclusive formulation containing a viscosity improver additive to assure optimum viscosity at all temperatures. This additive provides critical component protection, especially during startup and under heavy load.

John Deere Hy-GARD® also contains "friction modifiers" to provide smoother clutch engagement and higher braking capacity with minimum chatter.

John Deere Hy-GARD® exceeds JDM J20C specifications and only John Deere Hy-GARD meets John Deere's exacting performance requirements.

 

Yeah thats a good find Ron, the John Deere product is listed as "Hy-Gard™ Hydraulic/Transmission Oil" not just hydraulic fluid.

My personal preference is to go with the compressor oil as I first recommended, but from what I have been able to read straight hydraulic fluid does not have friction modifiers, at least if they do they don't list them, but Chance recommends the compressor oil and states that it does not have friction modifiers so its probably a safe bet that is doesn't.

The friction modifiers are great on regular clutchs as they will extend life by allowing smooth engagement not shrearing the surface of the frictions, but on a racing high output unit quick lockup is far more important than any wear caused by sudden application.

 

Glide / fluid / options...

Any hyd fluid that meets the same ratings as the John Deere will work, I use NAPA 85-401 hyd fluid with the same results... Much easier to find for those that travel!

 

power glide fluid

Does the John Deere fluid do anything to the filter, or maybe I should ask how often do you change the filter running John Deere fluid?

 

We ran Mobil1 Syn. ATF in our Lencodrive for the last 8 yrs.. We're now switching to Synergyn to get a cooler operating temp.. Of course there is no guarantee that will happen, but it will help if we do achieve it. It doesn't seem to make much sense to put cheap stuff in an expensive tranny. What would happen if they put a sprag or shaft in there for a street car....you'd be pissed! Why would you put fluid for a tractor in there? There are much better ways to save a $ or two. The more expensive name brands SHOULD operate better at higher temps and offer better performance at std. temps, but Mobil1 Syn. always worked for us just fine. Once we get some data on Synergyn, I'll post the findings.

Brandon Booher
NHRA TAD #44

 

new ATF

Guys, Red Line has a new ATF to address some of the problems you've been mentioning in this thread. Our new Lightweight Racing ATF was built to help the NMRA turbo guys that will turn any ATF black with just a little too much time at boost during staging.

It's lightweight means it doesn't trap heat (a major issue that few seem to address). The main reason guys use thick Type F is because so few ATFs are stable, they need thick viscosity to combat heat build up. The problem is that thick fluids trap heat. Our Racing ATF is very stable (even though its thick) and many like it in there application, but the new Lightweight Racing ATF flat out solved the heat buildup problems for the top racers that use converters.

It also lacks the slipperiness from friction modifiers that's a feature of any Dexron III or Dexron IV.

It just came out this week, so you'll see it from Summit or direct from us at Red Line. This is also the fluid that B&J used to fix the sprag-rolling issues in Jim Whitely's car. So, it works in other planetary trans like Lencos, too.

You'll start seeing it very soon, as a bunch of bracket racers just learned that it makes their cars much more consistent by controlling heat and taking away a bit of the converters tightness down low.

See ya,

Cameron Evans
Red Line Oil

 

Cameron, I run your Redline Racing Synthetic (F) now and have had no issues with it. I did try your lighter viscousity once (about 200 rpm more stall lockup) and it lowered the line pressure and burnt the band. So I would say, if your promoting the lighter viscosity shouldn't you also be talking about line pressure.....??

Thanks for an excellent product in oil and lubes.

Blessings.........Ron Clevenger.

 

Ron, we have 8 different ATFs, but only Racing ATF has the friction modifiers removed. You were likely using our D4 ATF (a Dexron III with very stable base stocks and additional antiwear packages), which is too slick for most drag racing transmission and not intended for the application. I'd predict you burnt a band not because of line pressure but through too much slipperiness.

Again, this Lightweight Racing ATF was just released last week so I'd guess you haven't run it.

No complaints of low line pressure so far. It's been tested in all those Heads-Up Powerglides with lots of power, standard Hughes-style Super Comp Powerglides, as well as in Top Dragster applications. Because of its low temp and stability, Neil Chance and those guys say they can use far tighter converter combinations than before--you could never do that earlier as the fluids would fail.

Hope that helps, Cameron

 

Cameron, I think you identified the test problem and band failure. I tried the D4 based on my convertor guy (well know but will leave it at that) to test special convertor I was running but wanted to see what additional 200 rpm flash/lock up would do. He didn't mention it had friction mods in it and should have know better to suggest it. I certainly do now.
I normally run the Redline Synthetic Racing Type "F" and it performs like a champ. I'll follow the new stuff for awhile before trying it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Blessings.........Ron Clevenger.

 

I worked for Mikes Transmissions for quite awhile and we did some testing with fluids. We found that standard off the shelf ATF like camevans said dose not have enough zink in it. What works best for people who don't have the money to spend is ATF with 10% streight 30w engine oil. That puts the zink and some viscosity back in the oil. Type F worked okay. The best thing you can do for a Powerglide, TH400, Or 350 is Mobil 1 , Sinergen, Ams Oil, Red Line Or Mikes special sause. I know its pricy but it cost even more for frequent freshen ups because you went cheap on the oil. I beleve any good quality race formulated trans fluid is the best. You decide on the oil. Just remember in this case you get what you pay for. Call Mike for his special sause. He sales it by the gallon. 661) 723-0081