265 mph speed limit?

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  1. fuelslut

    fuelslut New Member

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    it seems that is the new unspoken limit for TAD.....the real reason the fuel cars lost 2%.
    so may i ask, is there a email going around about slowing down the blown cars? any talk about blower overdrives, timing retards, rear gear ratios?
    there are several blown cars exceeding this limit, and some go over 270+.
    http://nhra.com/content/general.asp?articleid=29548&zoneid=60
     
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  2. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    265?

    If that was the limit, I think they would have acted even stronger and with a blown car reduction as well. I think the threshold is closer to the 280 mark than 265, but who knows.

    IF after a few races the A/F cars can't run low .30's and high .20's, an adjustment may be considered, but I'd like to see this play out a few races before I pass judgement.

    One source told me that the reason why the reduction was 2% was to try to save the A/F teams money. As I said, this was about slowing the class down, and rather than hit them 1% this year and inevitably another 1% next, it seemed better to do 2% now.

    Depending on what they do with the fuel cars, a blown car OD reduction may be on it's way at some point down the road.
     
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  3. nitrohawk

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    Wait and See !!!

    I have talked to some A-fuel teams who say they are just going to wait and see how the few cas that can afford to test get the 2% reduction figured out. I just can't help but think back to one other time they did this the amount of testing and money that was spent by Darien and others prior to the season some with not a lot of success.
     
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  4. afuelracer

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    both cars

    in fla it was said by NHRA guy's that they wanted to slow down both cars for safety and the number being tossed aruond was 265 or less. there are a lot of blown cars affected and so the all the class shold be hit same way they do the A/FOOLERs right???
     
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  5. fuelslut

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    the avarage speed for the blown cars that qualified at Indy last year was 266.65, while the avarage speed for the fuel cars that qualified was 264.98.
    so the fuel cars were already below the limit on avarage, where the blown were above it on avarage. they already lost 2%, so their avarage is going to drop below even more.
    i just want to know what the thoughts are on slowing the blown cars down?
     
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  6. blownracer/a-fuel

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    Why slow the blown cars? 75% of the class is not happy about the 2% drop.
     
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  7. nitrohemi

    nitrohemi injected nitro!!

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    speed limit , or oil down limits

    just raise the penalty for oil downs & the blown guys will weed them selfs out , afd oil downs vs b.a.d's oil downs the ratio says it all. who slows down the show more ?? Have a qty 1 engine only rule , nhra marks the mounts when they tech you in . you blow it up you go home. that would keep the cost down ,& the fuses will be alot longer on the blown stuff. Then it wont be about how big a trailer of spare parts you have , or how much you can out spend the other racer , but how well you can prepare your equipment & burst panels sales might go down a bit !!!
     
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  8. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    heaven forbid...

    All of you wishing for a 265 speed limit be careful what you wish for. I would think it's going to take one or two more percent to slow a big mph A/FD to a max speed of 265.

    Average speed is far from an accurate measure for AFD's because they are all over the board due to dropped cylinders. Some cars are big mph cars, some aren't, but still throw down big et numbers. A blown car on the other hand is relatively consistent on speed.

    Heaven forbid an A/F car lay down a 5.27 and everyone think it was an awesome run. Not to take anything away from a 5.27, but in current context, that's a pretty good run, but not on the same page as if a BAD runs a 5.27.
     
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  9. Ken Sitko

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    I second the motion of NitroHemi, one engine max during the race makes sense.
     
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  10. mosaurus

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    Are you sure you aren't the source?


    HOW the hell will the 2% reduction save money?:rolleyes:

    That page of that book was written 7 years ago......:rolleyes:
     
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  11. nitrohemi

    nitrohemi injected nitro!!

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    amen

    amen MIERSH
    yeah the I/p address comes to your e-mail mosaurus ?
     
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  12. larrymiersch

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    What?

    Ethan,

    Aren't you working?

    -L
     
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  13. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    one change

    Mosarus, the train of thought was to save money through one change of 2% than have a 1% change, everyone develop a 95% tuneup, then change to 94% and everyone spend the same R&D money.

    That's what I was told.
     
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    I was listening in on a conversation between a NHRA official & some TAD owners & drivers in a race trailer @ Pomona 2, & this whole thing basically has nothing to do with parity in the class (which I really don't think that they loose much sleep over anyway). What they do want is to have a barrier between TAD & TF, with a 310 speed limit on TF, & atleast a 30 mph barrier between the classes. I never heard anything about insurance requiring it, but they were looking at for differentiating between a TF car & an TAD car for the fan appeal. I also heard that they were looking at ways to keep the TF below 310 mph, & adjusting the whole class if it was exceeded at any time.
     
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  15. William Payne

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    I remember reading ages ago an article where in the big show blown nitro classes they were saying that the more nitro percentage actually is easier on the motors and less expensive because they dont have to raise compression and destroy everything to copensate for the methanol content . IS there any truth to that ?

    And also if you made a one engine only rule , you would have to make it illegal to remove cylinder heads because what would stop the guys that build their own engines from leaving the block in place and just rebuilding the motors in place instead of swapping motors.
     
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  16. dave hirata

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    anyone who thinks this has anything to do w/saving money? go home.
     
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  17. The Head Muckety Muck

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    The blown cars more than double the A/Fuel cars in oildowns and time lost to their clean-up. The blown cars will continue to run their stuff at 10,500 or better, and continue to destroy burst panels and puke their guts out......now the A/Fuel guys get a 2% reduction. This means, you'll need to pump an additional 2-3% more fuel volume into your motor to get close again.....and when you start dropping holes, guess what?, more stress on pieces.....Maybe the NHRA wants parody in the ammount of oil spilled and downtime on the track between the A/Fuel and blown dragsters, as their trigger-happy, un-educated decisions seem to create more problem than solution.

    All I hear the blown racers complain about is what they (the NHRA), needs to do to slow the A/Fuel cars down......how about a solution to make you a bit quicker, without the 800-1000 foot detonation point??

    Don't get me wrong, I love this class, and enjoy the different combinations of cars.......How about we leave the the A/Fuel cars at 96% from February to May 31, then give the A/Fuel cars another 2-3%, from June 1 until August 31 then drop them again for the remainder of the year. Since most of the racing is in warmer air, the reduction hurts the A/Fuel cars much more for the majority of the racing season.
     
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  18. The Head Muckety Muck

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    No Shit!!!!! Big deal, the NHRA is so caring, to save the A/Fuel guys money by putting them at 94%.......Is the price for a drum going to be cheaper?? The fuel cost will stay the same, if they are lucky, and likely increase, for the racers, and VP and the NHRA will stuff an extra 2% profit into their "deep pockets"

    Not to mention the change will affect teams in their tune-up and combinations.....save the teams money?? How about for the first time, the NHRA technical comittee speaks with a group of A/Fuel and blown, drivers, tuners, and or, owners and come up with an idea that has possibilities of working without sidelining teams who can't afford the ever-changing switches???
     
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  19. The Zone

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    It is a catch-22 as far as BAD's go, the reason they ring it out to 10,500 is to try and be competitive, unfortunately wringing its neck out has dire consequences on toom many occasions. I don't like the 2% based on what is likely the future of drag racing I say the best option talked about was running too 1000 fet, and give the A/Fuelers their 2% back, running to 1000 feet will bring back quite a bit of parity.

    Dean
     
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  20. elusiveiceman

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    Not to insult your views or opinion or anything, but I want to know how it is you feel that these guys are going to save money with the nitro reduction. If you talk to anybody trying to compete on a serious level with an A-Fuel car im almost sure they will tell you that its going to COST them money just to try to circumvent this rule...The fact that this rule is even in effect is poposterous and a complete waste of time and money. Your trying to compare two completely different setups to run the same mph/E.T and in the end you end up almost breaking the backs of 75% (or even more) of the racers out there.
     
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