Cs1-n

Discussion in 'PSI Superchargers Tech Questions' started by rb0804, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. rb0804

    rb0804 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    671
    Likes Received:
    38
    Anyone ever run one of these? How is the durability of the compound gearset? Are all the parts the same in the reverser (shafts, planet assembly, ring gear, slider,etc) as the regular CS1? How much heavier is it? Information seems to be few and far between other than the fact that the case is a tad bit larger. Thanks in advance.
     
    #1
  2. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,630
    Likes Received:
    189
    Don't think you can get compound Gearsets in a CS1 or a CS1n. I think they only come in the CS2 when using real low gear ratios. The CS1n does use two inch gears vice the standard one inch wide planetary gears and that would add a bunch of weight. Yes the case is bigger so that would be more weight. I can't imagine what kind of race car would need a CS1n with that much strength. It is pretty rare to see a well maintained CS-1 or a CS-2 fail.
     
    #2
  3. eli

    eli Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2005
    Messages:
    1,657
    Likes Received:
    1
    Isen't bigger always better? :confused:



     
    #3
  4. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,630
    Likes Received:
    189
    Yes but weight is not. If you are not breaking one inch Gearsets then why use a two inch Gearsets? That is a rotating mass increase
     
    #4
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2013
  5. fed-west

    fed-west Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2005
    Messages:
    144
    Likes Received:
    1
    Years ago I bought a CS1N 4 speed of all things at a swap meet. I knew nothing about Lenco's at the time. I took the trans to Matt at lenco and soon found out I had bought the wrong trans for my application.

    These units use two 1 inch planetary sets in compound to get their ratio's. As I remember that was the only way to get a ratio under 1.25-1 at the time. These units are bullet proof as they were made to handle blown fuel applications and were used in many fuel cars, just before everyone went to clutch only cars.

    The reverser as far as I remember had a different case but took most of the internal parts of the standard reverser, as I recall there might have been one part that was different. Sorry but it has been many years since I went through this.

    Hope this helps,

    Tom
     
    #5
  6. rb0804

    rb0804 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    671
    Likes Received:
    38
    Mike all of the cs1-n's have the compound gearsets, even the 25%. Here is a list of available ratios.
    1.17%
    1.19%
    1.22%
    1.25%

    Could you educate me a little bit on the CS-2? I know some have big shafts and small shafts, I was told to stay away from the compound gearsets. Are there certain ratios that are stronger than others and some that I should stay away from?
     
    #6
  7. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,630
    Likes Received:
    189
    Sorry you are correct in that CS1n has compound gears in all the gear sets.
    They are compound gears because of their low ratios. Can't think of when a blown alcohol car would ever use a ratio in a CS1n or a in a CS2 that would ever be low enough to use a compound gear. I have never heard of a CS2 having a gear set that is weaker than another. I believe that a CS2 with a large shaft is as strong as a CS1. All the problems that the CS1 had were fixed in the CS2. The good thing about the CS2 is it is lighter than the CS1.
     
    #7
  8. rb0804

    rb0804 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    671
    Likes Received:
    38
    All CS-2 gearsets have the big shaft or is that an option?
     
    #8
  9. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,630
    Likes Received:
    189
    As far as I know that is an option. We only us big shaft gear sets in Adams car but when looking for another ratio Gearsets I ran across small shaft Gearsets. A point to add here is that a CS2 uses 3/4" gears whereas a CS1 uses 1" gears.
     
    #9
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2013
  10. Frontenginedragsters

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    0
    CS1N Lenco

    I have a CS1-N 2 speed I wish to sell.
    It has a 1.91 ratio with a reverser.
    It is course spline in and fine spline out.
    Often found behind a Bruno unit.
    I posted this in the classified section back in March.
    $2500 if interested call Matt @ 585-739-1889

    Thanks
     
    #10
  11. rb0804

    rb0804 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    671
    Likes Received:
    38
    Do you mean 1.19 ratio?
     
    #11
  12. Frontenginedragsters

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    30
    Likes Received:
    0
    Lenco CS1-N

    It is 1.91 ratio for sure.
    I have run it for a few years and have had it apart for inspection a couple of times.
    They used to have that ratio listed on the Lenco web site.

    Matt
     
    #12
  13. B.DOUCET

    B.DOUCET New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2004
    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    0
    The CS1N with the 1.91 gear ratio that came behind the bruno units have a TIMED gear set. They held up good in dragsters and altereds but not for heavy, high HP style car's.
     
    #13
  14. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,630
    Likes Received:
    189
    What is a TIMED gear set?
     
    #14
  15. 23T Hemmee

    23T Hemmee Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    449
    Likes Received:
    0
    Mike,
    How do you determine what is big/small shaft units,(CS2) and I assume we're talking internal shafts, not input/output. Do you have or know what actual diameters are, or can you tell with spline count? Is there really a big difference in strength? Any help appreciated.
     
    #15
  16. Chi Town Brown

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    0


    The planetaries in the N case are synchronized (for lack of better word) to each other. There is a procedure to lining them up. I have an instruction sheet from Lenco. Its kind of odd deal because you line up the marked sets and then from that point on its all by feel. You rotate the inner gears one gear at a time and one tooth at a time and rotate the sun gear. If it feels worse you move it back if it feels better you move the next one. I might be able to post a picture of the instruction sheet and diagram.

    BTW I was always told the CS1N highest ratio available was 25%. I didn't know anything about a 91%. The CS1N was built for High Horsepower Fuel application. The 91% must have some very small gears?
     
    #16
  17. 23T Hemmee

    23T Hemmee Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2007
    Messages:
    449
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is for the CS-3 but I imagine the principle is the same. Didn't Lenco at one time make an overdrive unit, where 1st gear was 1 to 1? Could this 91% tranny be some kind of hybrid? Just throwing that out there.....feel free to throw it away...... :confused:

    http://www.lencoracing.com/Timing charts CS-3.pdf
     
    #17
  18. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2004
    Messages:
    4,630
    Likes Received:
    189
    That's interesting. Given the rotation ratio of the planet gears to the sun and ring gears they hardly every return to their original relationship so what would be the point. I wonder what Lenco is really trying to do.
     
    #18
  19. Chi Town Brown

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2005
    Messages:
    446
    Likes Received:
    0

    You can sure feel the differance when its not rite.
     
    #19

Share This Page