Tuning help

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  1. Peacemaker AFC

    Peacemaker AFC New Member

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    I have a guy from the west coast area that told me he had a tuneup that would work even on the east coast so I gave him the benefit of the doubt even though it seems kind of a f'd up tuneup and how in the H*** is it going to work. I have been doing a 40/ 60 split putting more fuel in the ports than the hat. He changed it around and put more in the hat and less in the ports and my theory is since alcohol absorbs moisture anyway why in the he** would you put more of it in the hat and when the blades open what is all the moisture in the air going to do? Just get sucked into there and get mixed in with the methanol and not get burned completely. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated in fact im beginning to think that is why the car is basically a turd now and ran a 4.32 in the hottest part of the day blacktracking and went out later on in the evening and it ran a 4.45 and ended up crashing he as the driver says it started spinning as soon as I plugged 2nd gear which I did not see it since I was standing behind the car. Seems to me that I need to tell him to go on somewhere no hard feelings and go back to my old setup that works. It ran between 3.85 and 4.0's before he starting dicking with it. It has a 10.7 crower clutch in it 4.56 gear and 36 tires. If someone out there knows how to make this work let me know if not just be honest and explain why it wont work. Thanks for everyones time.
     
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    The fact that you now have more fuel going through the hat is not slowing you down, in fact it probably makes the blower perform better. Now, if something else in the fuel delivery was inadvertantly changed,,, that I would beleive slowed you down.
     
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  3. Moore

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    Sodak is correct, more fuel in the hat helps the blower. Something else may have been changed. The tune up didn't cause the crash you mentioned, in most cases there is a connection between the right foot and the drivers brain, maybe you should check that out!
     
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  4. Mike Canter

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    You will have to excuse me here(ROTFLMAO). I do think it is funny that we have West Coast Tuneups and East Coast Tuneups. Maybe somebody can tell me the difference:cool:.
     
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  5. Ron C

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    Must have to do with the 3 hour difference:confused:;)

    Blessings..........Ron Clevenger
     
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    The earth has shifted a lil the last few years. Are the cylinders ballanced?
     
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  7. Peacemaker AFC

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    yeah the cylinders are balanced but I think with my old setup it ran a whole lot better and I was not constantly having to work on it or fix things that break. It has 120 degree head temps after the run and the most it differs is 8 degrees. I just think that once to blades open and having all that alcohol in there will mix up with moisture and make it not burn as easily since Im only running a 4.7 amp mallory mag. 526 TFX 96 Dart fuel heads, 14-71 hh mert, buzzard injector, 1100 pump.
     
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    As far as the crashing is concerned he was in the gas way too long after the lights. After he fixes my car he is not getting to drive again. He is all over the track crossing the centerline etc. And blames everything on either the clutch or tires in which the clutch doesnt make horsepower it just harnesses it and helps apply it to the track.
     
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    Went from a 19 gallon 1200 pump to an uncoated 1100 why I don't have a clue. His tuneup looks more like a screw or nitro car when you stage it. Fuel whisps out the pipes.
     
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  10. Mike Canter

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    It sure is more fun and saves more money if you have you fuel system flowed and given a tuneup. You really can't do anything about the mositure in the air and it really doesn't come into play unless you have water grains of over 100. What ever the moisture is in the air is also the same for the guy in the other lane.
     
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    I have often pondered about the 60/40 spilt or the 40/60 split. I have talked to several people who claim that by shoving less fuel through the hat, that they are able to shove more boost into the manifold. Which makes me wonder, are they really shoving more boost into the manifold, or is it just showing more boost because the air is all hot and expanded from the lack of sealing (efficiency) and cooling that the would be present with the extra fuel in the hat. Then I got to thinking, if the air is all hot and expanded when it reaches the manifold, the port nozzles are probably going to atomize better then if the charge was delivered into the manifold already cool and with most of fuel already as an air/fuel mixture. I have seen people run well both ways, so that makes me wonder again, does it really matter?
     
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    100/0 ;) ...........
     
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  13. Mike Canter

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    On a Roots blower, a screw blower or any other blower you have to cool that incoming air charge. You can do it with an intercooler or you can do it with alcohol. That heat is generated by compression of the air and by friction from the rotors. A Rootes blower has more friction generated heat than a screw blower so it needs more alcohol in the hat/blower as lubrication and to cool the air charge. . Lowering that air charge temperature is the same as lowering the ambient temperature in the Density Altitude computation which means you can add more fuel. There is a point in which you can actually put in too much alcohol and saturate the incoming air charge but believe me you haven't done it yet in most tuneups.
    You can go off on all these mad scientist tangents all you want and all these wild theories but it doesn't change the fact you need more in the hat and blower than in the ports.
     
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  14. rb0804

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    Sounds like you are a 60/40 kind of guy, do you also run more fuel through the hat on a screw then what is recommended in the manual?
     
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    if its running 3.85s why are you dickin with it
     
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    60/40

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    Posts:73Sodak is correct, more fuel in the hat helps the blower. Something else may have been changed. The tune up didn't cause the crash you mentioned, in most cases there is a connection between the right foot and the drivers brain, maybe you should check that out!

    camp told my wife that was my problem(rt foot brain)
    duane
     
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  17. Peacemaker AFC

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    I know what the cause of the crash was. There are a lot of people that let their emotions take over and drive.
     
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