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  1. steve burck

    steve burck New Member

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    WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS WEEKEND WILL HANNA IS ATTEMPTING TO FINISH HIS LISCENSING RUNS IN TAFC @ HOUSTON RACEWAY PARK. LETS ALL WISH HIM WELL AND SUCCESS. IF U LIVE CLOSE BY, GO BY AND SAY HELLO.
    NO ONE I KNOW OF HAS MORE DESIRE TO RACE THAN WILL DOES. GO WILL!!!!!
     
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  2. KathyL

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    GOOD LUCK WILL!!! [​IMG]
     
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  3. Dan Lynch

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    Good luck Will...
     
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  4. tjenna

    tjenna Top Alcohol

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    Good Luck.

    Post the 60 ft, 330 ft etc.
     
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  5. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    thanks for the kind words steve and others..

    well, i guess the best words to describe this weekend was learning experience. we tested the car at hrp saturday and sunday. saturday spent mostly on getting the cockpit to where i could drive the car. the first run we were trying to put the transbrake switch on the brake handle....bad idea, and i couldn't reach the forward/reverse shifter very well when it was all the way in forward. i did a burnout, bumped the transbrake rolling to a stop, then realized that was a bad idea and shut it off right there.

    on the second shot, more problems. this go around, i really was having problems stopping the car after the burnout and backing up. keep in mind this is a lencodrive car, so there's no clutch pedal just to put in to stop the car. i got it stopped and into reverse, but i tried stopping once i got into reverse, and was having trouble. once again, feeling i was getting into an unsafe situation, i hit the kill switch.

    after looking it over, we bled the brakes, it was idling high, and i didn't take it out of high gear to back up, so we figured we'd fix those problems and try again. go through the burnout, have a hard time stopping it again. i said to hell with it and took it to the first turn off...

    three tries, and i hadn't even lit a stage bulb yet. i hadn't felt that beat up since i ran scout team offense against our varsity defense that was ranked no. 1 in houston area...we had nick named the car 'calamity jane' in the shop, and she was having her way with me. we looked things over some more, and realized the problem was i couldn't get enough brake pedal; my wrist was hitting the cage before i could get full pedal. we adjusted the handle out, and went to try it again.

    we fired it up, put the body down, i rolled forward, yanked on the brakes, and what do ya know, it stopped. we were cooking with gravy then. so i did a burnout, backed up, got it stopped, and here we go, looks like we're going to light a bulb. it launched, but i could hear the motor going up and down, and the car really wasn't moving that hard, so i clicked it off.

    the root of the problem was we had some 'issues' - we'll leave it at that - on the inlet side of the pump and it was cavitating. if you had bet me a car could leave the line without spitting the blower at .3 gallons, i would have bet a lot of money it wouldn't. luckily, i guess it was so lean it didn't build enough heat to burn it up.

    sunday rolled around, and it was a whole new ballgame. the motor was happy now. first pass it went out there and was a bit lazy with a 1.03 60', and gave me my first taste of tireshake. i clicked it off from there.

    we went back to the pit, it looked like it was down on wheelspeed where it shook, so we hopped her up. it left good for a 130 degree track, jumped up on the tire good, and was marching right along until about 1.4 seconds. my conservative side told me if it shook again just to plug a gear and roll on. but the more i thought about the last run, that shake wasn't that bad, and i could have drove through it more. so instead of punching a gear, i'm trying to be frank manzo and drive through it. well, after i couldn't tell which was was up, down or sideways, i clicked it off..... .996 60'

    on the third try, cars had started to run for the night's street program. also, a storm was rolling in, cloud cover was out, and the air got about 200' better. we liked what it did the first second in the run, just wanted to calm it down in the top of low. we made some adjustments, but we didn't get that far. i let off the transbrake button, and it was basketballing the tires by the christmas tree. i tried to do a pedal job, and it started basketballing them again. looking back on it, evidently we were on the edge the second run, and slightly better air, and slightly worse starting line was led to it breaking the tire loose.

    we made a lot of progress, learned a lot, and i'm getting my routine down in the process. our next trip out, i'll continue to work on the process, and we'll work some more on the tune-up. when we can run some decent numbers in testing, we'll show up at a race somewhere. the team is pretty pumped, we didn't hurt anything, and we're looking forward to hitting the track again in a week or two.

    i'd like to say thanks to the entire hrp crew. they were very cooperative, and worked with us all weekend. i would recommend them to anyone that wants to get some testing in.

    hope to see yall at the track soon...
     
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  6. Trader_Slick

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    Good to hear you get some better runs on sunday. I didn't get a chance to come back down and hang out with you guys. Let me know the next time you head back to the track.

    Reggie

    [ May 30, 2005, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: Trader_Slick ]
     
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  7. Rapid Randy AA/FA

    Rapid Randy AA/FA Comp Eliminator

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    Will,

    Thanks for the update. Glad things went better for you as the weekend went on. The Lencodrive deal is a little different at first. I only have a few runs myself, but it feels more normal everytime. Email me if you want, I will give you the run down on where my buttons are. It feels pretty right to me in the car.

    Congrats again!

    Rapid
     
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  8. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    we moved the button to the middle of the steering wheel under the shifters so i could use my left thumb on it. we had the kill switch there, but we moved it up on top of the wheel. that freed my right hand to shift the car from forward to reverse with my right hand. that made the shifter a lot easier to reach. i got to go work on the practice tree with my left thumb now to bring it up to speed....lol.
     
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  9. Nitro Madness

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    Just curious about the first gear ratio in your car? We have a 1.80 low in our Lencodrive with a 3.90 rear gear for a 7.00 overall in low. This is about the same setup that we had with the Powerglide last year. We are experiencing some tire shake also, but now have a 526" hemi in place of the KB olds 465". I'm pretty sure that our ratios will work, but was curious about your ratios due to the shake problem...
     
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  10. Rapid Randy AA/FA

    Rapid Randy AA/FA Comp Eliminator

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    I can relate to the working on the left side for reaction times now.

    What we did was leave the kill switch in the center, with the air shifter buttons just above it. Then we built a bracket that holds the trans-brake button, pointed towards the left side of the car, and the air chute launcher button pointed towards the right side of the car.

    I use the first finger on my left hand to engage the trans-brake button, then just drop my finger into place on the steering wheel as I release the button. As you said, then I can use my right hand on the shifter lever.

    Rapid
     
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  11. Darren Smith

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    So Will, I haven't been paying that much attention lately. What is the regimen for getting an Alky license? One 60', then a 330, Half-track??

    [ June 01, 2005, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Darren Smith ]
     
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  12. nitrohawk

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    This is not Will but I will answer your question.
    To upgrade your license you must make one intermediate run and two runs at 6.20 or better and two runs at 205 mph or better. Its in the NHRA rule book. If no license then you must make a total of six runs with the same performance results.
     
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  13. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    darren,

    bob is right, the license procedure for an upgrade from my sc license is 1 half and 2 full runs. however we're in test mode - when the car/driver can run a decent number, then we'll go race, and the license thing will take care of itself. i think we're pretty close to getting the bugs out of this thing and running some good numbers. hopefully this weekend we'll get closer.
     
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  14. Slayer

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    I'm curious about the 1st gear ratio too. I've heard of a lot of teams haveing tire shake problems with a convertor drive. We have a Brunno with a lenco behind it. My 1st gear is 1.68 with a 4.30 in the rear, giving a 7.2 starting line ratio. We have our trans break button on the left side of the steering wheel. Seems to work great there.
     
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  15. Rapid Randy AA/FA

    Rapid Randy AA/FA Comp Eliminator

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    Slayer,

    Do you mostly run on pretty good tracks? Or not so great tracks traction wise?

    Rapid
     
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  16. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    upon further review the tireshake seems to be linked to another problem in the fuel system. on the second run when it shook so hard, it went lean - appears to cavitate - two tenths before it ripped the tire loose. i mean lean. its a good thing it did shake and i lifted, or i would have had the blower in my lap.

    we've torn apart the fuel system, and got an idea on what it is. we'll make a low gear shot at hrp this weekend before we go any further to make sure the problem is gone.
     
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  17. Slayer

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    Hey Rapid, sorry for the late reply, got distracted by work of all things. :D Mostly tracks that are marginal. The car is a 276 wb Urhara with a 518 TFX blown alcohol. The shake is usually about 30 feet out from the starting line.
     
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  18. Rapid Randy AA/FA

    Rapid Randy AA/FA Comp Eliminator

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    Darn work getting in the way of a good race car discussion! :rolleyes:

    So what is your feeling about the shake? Do you think the 1st gear is too aggressive, so too much wheel speed for track? Or do you think the engine is a bit soft still, as it is only 30 foot out and not really working hard yet, so it can't pull the tire thru the transition?

    Rapid
     
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  19. Darren Smith

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    Thanks Hawk, but what exactly constitutes an upgrade, any faster class? If Will Had(?) a SC license would he need to upgrade to go to Comp? Suppose someone (Like me!)has never gone faster than say 11.70's, what would I have to do to get an Alky license?
     
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