super mag III

The problem with this type of mag is that it retards your ignition timing when the mag is put under load. If you want a mag the I would suggest you look for a MSD ProMag 12.

 

If one is aware of the magneto loading effect that all you have to do is advance the timing on the mag 4 degrees over what you are currently running with the 7AL3 and it will retard back to where you want it when it is put under load. We all learned this the hard way when switching to a ProMag that you had to run 4* less less ignition advance.

 

MotorPsyco, that mount has nothing to do with the retarding under load.

All magnetos have an inherent characteristic of retarding timing as the ignition load on the magneto increases. This retarding of the ignition is due to the inability to build and collapse the inductive field in the coil at a rate that will keep up with the load of the motor. The amount the magneto is behind or retarded equates to about four degrees total at high load conditions. If a standard magneto such as the Mallory points type is timed at 36* at idle the ignition will be retarded to around 32* during high load conditions. This means if you really wanted 32* under load one had to learn to set the points magneto at idle on 36*. Racers learned to live with that and they just knew where to set them to make the best power.

The points style magnetos under no load conditions such as idle can produce voltage at a fairly fast rate but when put under extreme loads the rise time of the voltage into the coil slows way down. The ProMag has a much faster rise time for the voltage going to the coil so the collapse of the field in the coil also occurs at a faster rate. When under load this results in the spark being initiated at a much faster rate than the points magnetos. This faster build up of the spark results in the spark being able to jump the sparkplug gap faster when the cylinder pressure is higher due to extreme loading. This in turn initiates the flame front in the cylinder at a faster rate so the burn rate of the fuel in the cylinder occurs at a faster rate and less advance timing is required.

The MSD ProMag magneto generator still has this characteristic retarding of the ignition as the load increases but MSD coupled it with the Electronic Points Box which contains a magneto timing compensation circuit to eliminate the retard. Automatic compensation is accomplished by the Points Box initially applying retard to the timing at idle and as ignition load is increased the timing is applied back as ignition advance at a rate equal to the amount being retarded. This automatic compensation offsets the ignition timing change by the magneto so the timing remains at one setting in all conditions. If you want 32* at high load conditions you could now set the ProMag 44 at 32* at idle and it would remain where set throughout the entire load range.

This ProMag compensation feature and the improved characteristics of voltage rise time in the coil is why we now set the timing at idle at a lesser amount of approximately 4* on ProMag equipped motors than we did before on the motors with the points magnetos. If you had the ability to observe the timing of the two type of magnetos under load you would find that the ignition timing on a points magneto is actually the same as a ProMag. It is only at low RPM during no load conditions that the timing is different between these two type magnetos.

 

Wow, so you can smoke Frank Manzo or Tony Bartone or Tasca with any of your Outlaw FCs? That means you can run a 3.58 to a 3.60 sec at 211 mph in an 1/8 mile and 5.43 sec at 267 mph in the 1/4 mile. I am impressed.