Meth + H20

I know that H20 is a bad thing at legal fuel check time, however........

For times and places at which fuel check is not an issue, has anyone experimented with either dosing the meth with H20, or running water injection, in conjunction with relatively high compression and a lot of boost?

Results were good or bad?

 

Something to think about.....................
throw a lit match into the H2O !

 

While water injection has been used with gasoline and diesel fueled engines I don't believe it will work the way you want since methanol will chemically bond with water.

Water will not bond with diesel or gasoline.

EDB

 

Yup agreed. However, a bit of finely misted or absorbed H20 can provide some interesting thermal management properties. If H20 was of no benefit, then why would the fuel check dudes even care about it ....

My main thought was to be able to impose a bit of control over the thermal mapping through the motor. We are going to try running dynamic cylinder pressures and burn rates that are vastly different than the norm, and it would be nice to have a variable safety buffer at certain times. Just wondered if anyone else had been down this road, and could share good/bad experiences.

Thanks.

 

I remember hearing in the late 70s about adding a very small amount to cut down on detonation. However, methanol attracts moisture easily enough. I had a scare with a fuel test at an IHRA event as it began to rain just after the final (as the official was removing a sample from the fuel cell). It just barely passed.

 

Truth is, they don't!
As it was explained to me at a Houston Nat. Event in about '87, when 14 TAD cars out of the 23, and 12 out of ? TAFC's that ran the first session got thrown out because of fuel that all came from the same supplier that morning, the main man at the time, a Doctor something with many chemical degrees said " we only go by specific gravity and smell in the test , this fuel passed neither !
So, being as diplomatic as I could said, sorry I don't know you at all, so I can't guess where your nose was last night!
He replied:"we are not here as chemists to analize your fuel, but we sure do find that a lot of guys we reject, wind up running better with clean alky".
The end of the story was that the fuel guy went to the local alky producer and had them fill racegas drums from the previous race.
I do understand what you are thinking though, as I've had a few great conversations with Bruce Crower about his very recent and historical patent for a six cycle engine with water being injected on one of the strokes. Way over this welders head though.

 

Uncle Bob
You can do the same with ch3no2...
However think about those two compounds that make up H2O and it will make you wonder more than a little... I learned alot from an unnamed speed demon about the mist of H2O...
For those who can't figure out-
H= Hydrogen
O= Oxygen
Both make very big booms...
Givin the right/wrong conditions, it's a wonder we are still here at all...
Just another bozo trying to make it through another day myself...

 

water & meth not

Methanol enrichment can retard detonation, and enrichment changes can provide good control over engine temperature. Gasoline enrichment cannot, and water is used there as a result.
In addition, water and methanol may cause some undesirable corrosion issues in the bottom of the engine.
Bob Szabo, author of "5000 HP on Methanol"
www.racecarbook.com
(707) 446 2917

 

different fuel additives

If you want to try a fuel with alittle extra kick try VPs new M-3. It wont pass nhra fuel check but it does perform better. since you asked your question on this site I asume your no chemist, or may not have alot of extra money to test strange combos. try something the experts have made that works.