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  1. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    Check out my new column, On The Tire at dragracingonline.com: A new regional system

    Be sure to check out my new column, On the Tire, over at www.dragracingonline.com
    In my first column, I address the current situation with alcohol cars at divisionals and lay the groundwork for potential regional series.
    Let's see what you, the racer has to say. Yes, NHRA is closely watching this...
     
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  2. David Pace

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    On the tire/DRO

    Great column, Will. Nice to see good ideas getting some exposure. Good choices for the Regionals' eliminators. Looking forward to the next one.

    dp
     
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    Will,
    In this scenario, would Alcohol class be run at every National event?:confused:
     
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  4. Rapid Randy AA/FA

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    Nice work Will.

    It is nice to see both sides, a problem, and a proposed solution presented together.

    Congrats,

    Rapid
     
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  5. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    nationals

    sadly, i don't think we'll ever see alcohol cars at all nationals again.

    in this theoretical system, there would be the same 16 national events with 14 regionals (2 per division).

    one idea that has floated around is 3 regions rather than 7 divisions...east-central-west.

    rumor has it that next year's sportsnationals in belle rose could have alky cars.
     
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  6. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    woodchip

    i know we've disagreed on this in the past.

    re: divisionals vs. proposed regional system.

    the biggest driving force behind why i think we need this is forward progress. the current system is broke. for more of an explanation, read the column.

    for one, i would vehemently oppose starting a regional system with a payout structure identical to the divisionals. that defeats the purpose. it needs to mirror the national event payout, at least to 8 cars.

    ok, so now each division has 6 races. these races pay $600 or $700 to qualify, all of them only pay $2500 to win. in the regional system, you're looking at traveling to either more nationals, or other regionals. a national pays $1700 to qualify. that extra $1000 in payout will cover a decent chunk of the additional travel vs. what you are doing now. you'll be racing at an event that has some marketing value, pays better, and under better/safer conditions.

    making the alcohol classes more marketable to sponsors is the key to the class moving forward. the end goal is making it easier to get sponsor dollars on the team level. a national/regional series is much more marketable than what we have right now with the divisional series. most of these divisionals do absolutely nothing to promote the shows...no crowd equals no marketing value. the track doesnt want you there, and you're getting paid squat.

    i understand there will be less races to go to in a particular area for teams. first off, like i said above, the nationals, and proposed regionals payouts would offset a good chunk of increased travel. then if you factor the "on paper" loss of money going to those extra divisonals, should offset the rest, if not put you money ahead.

    that's also why i think in this scenario to race for the championship it would need to be the best 8 of 12 events.

    getting sponsor dollars into the class is the key to growth in the class. both getting existing teams to the 'next' level budget wise, and creating opportunities for new teams to get in the door.

    this is all contingent on nhra putting together a series similar to what i mentioned. something with no payouts and a structure condusive to back gate profit and no crowd, would be just taking a divisional and calling it a different name....i'm not for that at all. if it means less races for better quality, and drastically better opportunity for racers, i'm all for it.

    if local events are what motivates a racer, i'm pretty sure just about every track out there wouldn't mind booking you in to make 4 runs for $700 ($175 a pass). that same track will probably book you in for the same money the finalists make (2 car $4000/$2000 ea./6 runs= $333 a pass). thats the money you're 'making' at a divisional.

    honestly, if a track having a divisional still wanted alcohol cars, and i'm sure some of them would, you could get booked in at a more reasonable cost per run....$500 to $1000 is more commiserate with the cost.

    my next column for dragracingonline will outline the structure i have in mind for this regional series. it should be out july 7th. if anyone's interested, i'll be glad to discuss it here first.
     
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  7. Woodchip

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    Right now you have seven divisions most with six races some with seven. That’s about 42 opportunities to race. Reduce that to a total of THREE regional areas with two races per region and that’s 6 races With the current divisional structure now you have about 336 qualifiers per alky eliminator per season. With a regional structure 6 races would be 48 qualifiers per season. Ok if 16 car field 96 per season. This is better? How? I don’t care if the payout is increased four fold there will be a LOT of racers going home with NO payout or more importantly not being able to race at ALL. That’s a 86% loss of qualifier payout opportunity or 71% if sixteen car fields.

    Sponsorship. I touched on this in the past. The MAJOR sponsorships are difficult to get not because of poor crowd counts but many get hijacked by NHRA as event sponsors. Except for the big guns most sponsorship’s are local to the racers state. To be honest I don’t think TV exposure really impacts companies like Atlantic Scaffolding in Illinois, Fort Washington Expo center in NJ, a car wash in New Hampshire or an Auto Glass supplier in Delaware. I think It would be even more difficult to land a sponsorship once you inform them you race at one third the races total a season with todays divisional structure. Add to that you will be racing three states away from your prospective sponsors region of business. Sponsorships are first built on networking. What I mean is you rub elbows AT THE RACES with businessmen who are attending as suppliers to other racers or are there for a weekend outing because they know a friend in the town they live in who races. Sometimes it has nothing at all to do with how many seats are being warmed in the stands. They like the friendly personalities and the camaraderie of the racers themselves and a bond forms. They want to get involved. Be part of the team. How often will this happen if you take away 66% of the races?

    Traveling. Will, the increased payouts would be a wash if you have to travel across three states to get them. Ok you save money by not traveling to the races that no longer exist anymore. But is that racing?

    Ok what about Jegs Allstars? Or other potential for similar parallel points chases? With the scrapping of divisions there would be no point. Three ‘regions” battling it out to find out who’s the best out of three indistinct areas of the country? Doesn’t sound as exciting as the current seven distinct divergent divisions battling it out.

    Promotion, Is this the alcohol racers fault? So they should volunteer to not go to 66% of the races? Maple Grove had a 25$ a carload day and a crowd happened! Props to whoever advertised and promoted that race. A Great Idea. When you see a crowd make it a point to thank the track manager or promoter or at least someone on their staff. Express to them how important it is for you and the growth of the sport to have spectators. We are going to Lebanon Valley this weekend and there WILL be a crowd. Hey and if you win a round? You crew guys out there wave your arm or flash the victory sign as you go down the return road! Don’t sit in the vehicles like so many lumps. Work the crowd! Even if they ARE just fellow racers in the stands. They Always respond!


    I believe there is a fundamental reason why most tracks don’t promote. The position of “promoter” doesn’t need to even exist in today’s day to day operations of a back gate bracket track. So when a points race begging for promotion is scheduled to appear at their track there is no one on staff to work the promotion! Even if there is such a position the person lacks the experience. Either the NHRA, Or the series sponsor should have a promotion package in place turn key for the track to use at those events.

    Testing. Unless your making half track bursts, swapping equipment, sorting a problem, licensing a new driver, or lucky enough to have access to a track with a surface of national event caliber. There’s no point in testing without another group of cars to compare your runs to. Well that’s what our crew chief tells me anyhow. Like I said before The best way to test is to make lap after lap after lap at an actual race. Look at today’s top runners. They have one thing in common. Run after run after run after run. Takes about five years for an inexperienced green team to get a handle on a car. With a regional series? It would take FIFTEEN years. .

    Match races? Good luck wedging yourself into a tracks schedule that was formed the winter before. There just aren’t any openings. We tried (different team) 15 years ago. I think there was one maybe two match races for a pair of A Fuel cars in division one all of last year.

    Another thing. Dump the grade point system. If you raced at a national event on 05 then you should be able to enter any damn race you please in 06. It seems if you’re a child of the Force (Brittany and Courtney) your exempt anyway. So if the rules are not applied evenly and fairly. DUMP the grade point rule.

    Finally Will. NHRA’s “Interest” in your regional idea scares some of us teams. Just like the national events they took Alcohol out of. Once we lose the divisional race sites it is highly unlikely we would ever EVER be able to return to a similar series. The nails would have been hammered, set and puttied in the proverbial coffin of Alky racing. You would have done NHRA a favor by eliminating alcohol cars from all but a very few races. So Of COURSE NHRA are excited by this idea.

    Remember NO ONE is compelling anyone to attend all six or seven division races. If they don't want to race but at a few races then let them stay the hell home! Dont complain about the world or divisional championship points structure unless you are willing to make the PUSH. Our team looks forward to competing at every single race we go to. I even go through race withdrawal between Gainesville and Atlanta. And for the life of me I cant see the low budget teams building a car to race at less than a handfull of races a year.

    Its not Broken, just badly out of TUNE. Not ready for the crusher.
     
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  8. Will Hanna

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    few points..

    regions/races-
    i have always said there needs to be 2-3 regionals per current division. in a three region system there would still be the same number of regional events (14-21), just less 'regions'

    sponsorship-
    you're right. alot of the deals out there are brother in law deals or someone with some money to blow and they want their name on a car and a write off. i'm trying to come up with a series that has enough marketing value to bring in sponsors based off the business merits of your plan, not stroking an ego and getting a writeoff.

    travel-
    like i said increased payouts would help offset travel costs. if you put the expenses to payouts going to 8 divisionals a year, the money lost on paper would easily offset remaining travel expenses not offset by increased payouts. so you go to the nationals you normally go to 4 to 5, you go to the 3 regional races in your division that you would normally go to in the lodrs, so there's 6-8 races of your schedule, so you're looking at 4 to 6 races of extended travel. if you normally go to 1 or 2 out of divisionals, that lowers the number of extra travel races to 2 to 4.

    allstars-
    this is where it would be beneficial to keep 7 divisions. if you had 3 regions, top two per region, with two wild cards...

    promoters-
    we agree on the lack thereof. i also agree tracks, whether on a divisional or regional system should have more of a turn key program.

    testing-
    i have to disagree there. it's hard to find a good track to test, but when you do, you can make a lot more ground than you can trying to learn at a race. case in point, we went out with callaway's car last year, tried a different approach, missed it on first two runs, rattled off a 5.51 in the middle of a bracket race, showed up at valdosta two weeks later and won the race, running a then career best 5.45. if you have little to try, then you're right, testing does little good, but who doesn't have something to try? in testing, you can make a few runs getting something right, at a race, you might have one run, at most, if you're in the field to try something differnet. if it doesnt work, you scrap it till you get another run somewhere down the line. in testing, if it doesn't work, you can go make adjustments the next several passes.
     
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  9. eli

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    Will, what's your take on match racing alky funny cars, Back in the 70`s Nick Bonafantti had a circuit that included, Frank Manzo, Boston Strangler, The Bell Boys, Bob Chipper, Shenandoah car,Terenzio Bros Italian Stallion, Carl Ruth, Joe Amato, Just to name a few, what happened to that type of racing, we got to race and test at the same time and the track paid us ,we drew a big crowd, now we have to pay the track to test, is it that the fan base isn`t there any more? or is it the tracks dont know how to advertise any more? What do you think happend and how can it be reversed?
     
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  10. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    re: match racing

    the problem i see with match racing funny cars these days is what it costs to run one of these cars and what they can pay to have a pro mod race.

    alcohol racers don't test that much any more. most spend every dime they can on making races.

    the 1/8 mile tracks are probably the biggest market for a match race. they can get an 8 car pro mod show down here for $7500 bucks. on a decent track an outlaw pro mod can run 4.0's and 3.90's. for an alcohol funny car to justify getting paid more, it needs to run 3.80's, which isn't real easy to do on some tracks. it also cost money because you're going to have to turn up the wick. sometimes you'll find a track that will pay decent money. if not, you have to find another racer that wants to 'test' and knows that for $2000 for 3 1/8 mile passes, he's going to spend money out of his pocket to run an 'extra' weekend at a track he'll never compete at. not to mention the time involved. of course you could run it soft, but then you defeat the purpose of testing.

    i absolutely think that booked in alcohol shows can bring in some money. to do it right, in my opinion, a track needs to have a $45,000 budget (expenses/payouts/advertising) to do a show right. most small market tracks don't have a budget to allow for that. they spend $7500 on a pro mod show and $3000 is a big advertising budget for a show. see above for the 'lack thereof' of promoters these days.
     
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