Blown 714ci is it worth it?

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  1. Straitline

    Straitline New Member

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    I need some input from you guys. I have a customer that is putting together an outlaw P/M car and realy wants to go big inch but also wants to have a blower combo. My question is is it even worth it? I know the cost of the big motor is giong to be more than a conventional bae/aj motor. Do you guys think the big blower deal would make comparable power to one of the hemi motors? I am haveing trouble justifying the inches, a small moror is more efficent and parts are more avalible and I just don't see the big motor makeing any more power. Also what orginizations would that type of combo be leagal in? any input would be greatly appriciated. Thanks Branndon.
     
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  2. bruce mullins

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    why?. . .it's funny when people try to re-invent the wheel. if you can go to the super market and buy everything to make spaghetti , why would you try to grow noodles thinking they will taste better. :eek: call brad and buy the parts, then call randy anderson and get a tune up. then go out and haul ass!.
     
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  3. Bottlefed

    Bottlefed New to Blowers

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    If you are running an outlaw 10.5 car then yes it can work very well. With either a centrifugal or turbos the 620-700 inch motors work real well it allows you to run lower boost so a turbo car is easier to stage and a centrifugal car has a broad progressive power band.

    On the other hand most of these are using 5 inch or bigger bore space engines and they take up a lot of room and are heavy, no big deal on a 3000+ pound car but on an Outlaw pro-mod it becomes a big/heavy issue, then of course you have to worry about rules....as Bruce said go out and buy the big power, theres plenty out there.

    RG
     
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  4. Straitline

    Straitline New Member

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    I agree. But you konw how people are when they want something. But I'm asking so when he says It's bigger it should make more I can have a better arguement for going with the prooven power and so I can show him that I'm not the only one that knows that the wheel is alteady round and that works great. Can anyone give a good reason that the big inch won't out preform a say 450-526 inch. He is stubborn and dosen't agree. I told him if you want big inch put a bottle on it and he dosen't want to go that way.
     
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  5. Dave Koehler

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    Give him a price. That should stop him in his tracks. Start with Sonny's pricing for giant engines and add in all the blower stuff.

    Dave Koehler
    http://www.koehlerinjection.com
     
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  6. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    cid

    Tell him the cubic inches in a blown motor are bolted to the intake with a pulley on them.


    A blown motor is more about boost per cid rather than sheer cid. Will a bigger motor make more power; to a degree.

    Sure, more cid, bigger bore spacing etc., will allow the C blower to breathe better, but there are more frictional losses with a bigger cid motor that will offset some of the gain.

    Most big CID motors, if not all of them are engineered for N/A applications. 60+ lbs of boost definitely changes things up.

    Ask your client what he wants to do, win races or say he's got a 700 inch blower motor. There's no precedent for such a combo.

    I don't know how much the rods can handle at those big strokes with that much boost applied. Your rpm window may be so low it may be hard to get a blown application to work correctly.

    There's a small handfull races that have figured out the C blower combo in Pro Mod with conventional hemi/aj setups. If he wants inches, build him a big inch BAE or AJ motor, whatever the upper limit is on those combos.

    You know what they say about pioneers...
     
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  7. bruce mullins

    bruce mullins Top Dragster

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    the problem you will have is crankshaft life. the stroke is so long and add the blower pulling on the snout of the crank, along with the serious cylinder pressure, and you won't get many runs out of the crank. get the tune up a little off and start detonating and you will be putting a crank in every week. another problem is the big motors are not designed to turn high rpm. so there goes power band where a blower motor makes it best.
     
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  8. Bottlefed

    Bottlefed New to Blowers

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    And you will have trouble at the launch with all the extra torque.
     
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    will end in tears
     
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  10. JRB

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    Personally, I doubt its worth the headaches. But if you do give it a shot, let us know how it works.
     
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  12. Dale H.

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    I have a 672 BB chev blower motor for sale. Makes tons of torque. Don't want alot for it either.
    672 BBC Short Block
    Aluminum Merlin block-hardblock filled
    4.625 bore
    5.00 stroke
    11.600 deck
    Bryant billet crank
    Jeff Johnston 2-piece kickout pan
    Titan adjustable billet oil pump
    MPG rods
    4-7 swap cam
    Donovan gear drive
    Low runs
    Indy blower manifold with burst panel
    $7,000.00

    Dale Hill
    970-302-1232
    DHECR250@netzero.com
     
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  13. LeWhite

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    A bigger motor will make more hp Lower boost: lower manifold temp. this is undenailable. The real question is does the guy have any kids in colledge and do you have any kids in colledge. Cause there gonna be a train wreck at the crossroads
     
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