re: wacked again

If its parody, we got to use a basis. average is a good basis for whatever we compare in life. no matter what: the top, bottom, whatever, the average is the average........wins, loses, div champs, etc. this was a pretty close parody year. ( we all got to admit that ) so, what was the reason for the change? 280 mph? too bad to think that the couple 280 mph runs this year would be NHRA's reason for a change. i think all of us racers have proven that safety would not be the biggest reason as we all have been running the speeds we have been at all national and div tracks for years, with a very good safety track record. ive already spent money for 94% that i wouldnt of had to at 96%..........but im the dumb one.

 

First I have heard of the 280MPH. Still nothing officialy from NHRA. Okay if this is the issue than why don't they just post a rule that states that the top allowed speed in TAD will be < 280 MPH. If you run over that speed then you are DQ'd. The racers will make sure that they can run quick et and never run over the magic 280MPH mark. Just give us the rules/guidelines and we can make our own safe decision on how to race. Its like not passing fuel check over % and you are DQ'd. They could easily check the MPH on the score board and decide if the run counts the same way they check weight and fuel today. 3 factors to look at instead of two.

So far all I can honestly see that the rule change is going to do is cost the AFD teams big $$$ in 2009. It will not slow down the class. Historically every time NHRA tries to slow down the cars with a rule change teams spend $$$ or some times cubic $$$ and make the cars just as fast as they where. More oil downs more carnage, etc. but still fast cars.

280MPH is very exclusive club (Mitch Meyers (100%), Bill Reichert (97%/96%), Brandon Pierce (96%), etc. We don't routinely see AFD run 280MPH it is a statistical deviance from the norm. I applaud these guys for achieving these speeds. I doubt very much the Brandon planned to run 280MPH at Dallas. It just happens if everyting is just right. Sure the teams that are closer to having everything just right tend to do it more often. Remember a tail wind can be all it takes to pick up MPH etc.

Remember a few of the BAD cars are running close 270MPH now. They don't have near the downforce or aerodyamic stability of a big winged AFD. Which is safer an AFD at 280MPH or a BAD at 270MPH?

Doug
PS Dave don't feel bad you are not the only dumb one spending $$$ See you at the races. I have a feeling it is going to take allot longer to get through fuel check next year.

 

I admit I was born at night but it wasn't last night!

If they were only worried about Top Fuel & TAD being too close in mph then why didn't they make us run to 1000' as well? Wouldn't that have made a bigger gap in the 2 classes? It would also take care of running over 280 mph.
I'm sure it wouldn't have cost any of the BAD or AFD racers any money to lift 320'sooner & I am 100% positive nobody including Reichert would run 280 mph to the 1000'!!!

 

Does anyone want a AFD chassis Duanes 07 car? I was trying to come back out this year with my son....Seems that I stay away for a year or two and come back to this? No thanks....I will spend my money in the FSA Four Stroke Association (Sand Dunes)

Kevin
God Speed Dad....

 

izzy beat me to this idea..............1000 ft drag race. no rule changes. no speed issues. parody? lets see. i know a lot of a/fool cars run the hairdryers down in the last 300' so maybe this the worst idea. could make for some great racing............NEVER MIND THAT IDEA. we'll just figure out 94% and keep running em down.

 

Then you'll be at 92%!

 

Ahhh. The infamous Will shows his true colors.................BLOWN!

 

Gloria, no doubt you guys work hard......
i've had your tune up in my hands, the only way i could make it work was to put 100% in the tank during testing......
going to you would have done what?
the rule states, page 223 of the 2008 NHRA rule book: Artificial cooling and/or heating of fuel prohibited.
1) Artificial.....Artificial is something which is not natural. Its original sense, related to artifact and artifice, refers to a product of human endeavor; a more English but gendered synonym is man-made. It is also used to mean "false", a substitute for the real thing, as in artificial turf or artificial sweetener.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial
bottom line Gloria.......if you chill your fuel (put it in a freezer) it's not legal.
Look at the people you are hurting. If the NHRA won't enforce this rule, and it really doesn't matter to Bill's tune up, let's call a voluntary truce to "chilling fuel"......

 

The way I read the new rule is that on car cooling devices are not allowed.

 

Not Reviewable !!!!

This debate should have taken place prior to the new 94% rule was put into effect by NHRA without input from the racers reps etc.
The statement that NHRA considers this decesion a rules comittee decesion and not subject to racer or racers reps. input is assinine.
Everything in this rule book I am looking at concerns all racers and all there is is rules to run by. What this tells you is the same thing we have always known is that the powers to be don't want input from the masses muddying the water. Nevermind letting racer in on the real thought process behind the changes. When rules are changed and NHRA can benefit from the exposure of the changes they are quick to inform everyone. Then there are changes they make and do not want you and I to question their motive or offer suggestions prior to the closed door decesion.

 

NOBODY outside of Glendora has a say about anything.

Almost everysingle drag racer out there in the pits has their Alcohol on
ice in a cooler chilling,.. Why not Nitro




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Straddling the fence

I know I am going to get nailed for this, and I am not trying to slam anyone, or take sides. But I feel we are reading into the rule book as far as Artifical Cooling is concerned. If you go back several years it has always been a rule. The rule is concerning anything that is attached to the car, and after it leaves the pits. It even gives certain classes some leway out of the pit.

I personally know that Nitro at 96% and cooled to 30 degrees still is at 96%, after it is warmed up to 69 Degrees it is at 96%. I have wondered what exactly does this do to the structure of Nitro itself along with everyone else so I have enlisted the help of a neighbor buisness who works with a lot of differant types of chemicals. After the new year we are going to do some testing and see what we can come up with. If I get any results one way or another I sure will let everyone know.

 

I know when I flow a fuel system on my flow bench 10 degrees change in fluid temp changes pressure by a fair amount.

 

Fuel chiller

I noticed in the classifieds there is what is called a NHRA legal nitro a/fuel chiller with a range from -20 to-30 which is suppose to be legal.Whats up with that?

 

cooling the fuel...Not an advantage???

Nitromethane is an oxygen enhanced fuel........colder water contains more molecules of oxygen than warm water does, right? Somehow, I can't help but think that chilled nitro would do the same, and in bad atmospherical conditions, one would think it has to help. If it's no big deal, why all the argument about the topic? The lame folks in charge should enforce their own rulebooks before making another uneducated move at a percentage change.

Is giving the A/Fuel cars a percentage reduction going to stop the blown cars from running things so hard that their guts are hanging out after a run and the burst panels are split open? I think not. The smart nitro guys will figure it out again, and the crying will once again begin for another fuel reduction, or a weight change, or the next new flavor of the day.

Take Reichert out of the mix, and a blown car would have been the champ......it's close.

How about this idea, since the NHRA has fleeced the racers using nitro for two years, with their "official fuel supplier" crap, why dont they fuel the cars in the staging lanes free of charge............and fill the T/AD's as well, just to keep some more parody in the class. Then come by and fill my cooler with beer, my choosing, and ice, and we'll have even more parody with plenty of chilled alcohol!!!!!

 

I dont know of one alky blown racer who does.... I never have... Thought about cause i have seen plenty of nitro guys do it but never had so please dont speak for us..

Ps. Im in glendora this week.....

 

Its chilled with a refrigerator naturally?