TAD rules for '05?

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  1. Darren Smith

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    Has anybody heard anything?
     
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  2. Pat McGill

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    Nothing solid on the rules yet. But, I did hear that the AFDs will still be quicker and faster than the BADs, so don't get your hopes up if you're a TAD fan.
     
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  3. The Zone

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    These are the two most likely scenerios

    1. 95% nitro for ther A/Fuelers (this is my bet because they really want to slow the A/Fs rather
    than speed up the BADs)
    This will be a huge change as they run 99.2% or higher 100% of the time. No cars that ran under 99% qualified from what I understand at national events

    2. the Gizmo for BADs's

    (the other rule changes will be, (Belly pan for both TAD and TAFC and auto shift allowed)

    Dean "Allow the Gizmo" Murdoch :D [​IMG]
     
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  4. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    i was hoping the autoshift movement died a quick death in indy. there were only 3 racers that i am aware of in indy that were in favor of this move. i think autoshift is a BIG mistake. the biggest concern is safety.

    when a driver makes a shift, they obviously are consious they made the shift, and know to expect it. picture this scenario...a driver is experiencing heavy shake, the car is out of shape, then all of a sudden it shifts. i think the next part of the story is wall or centerline. i think some drivers will underdrive 'waiting' for the shift as well.

    i think it takes the purity of what is a driver's class now away from it. you'll get no argument from anyone that the driver has the most to do with the performance of the car in the alcohol categories. hell hawley even said that in one of his recent national dragster columns. having a driver that makes the shift point is a big part of winning.

    it was mentioned the motivation behind the rule is some drivers having problems over-reving and subsequent engine damage. instead of killing the purity of the class, how bout MSD chips in the rev limiter? MSD makes a wide assortment of rpm chips that can be suited to the particular driver's 'ability' to shift when the shift light comes on.

    needless to say, i'm not in favor of this idea, for whatever my opinion is worth. based on my conversations in indy, i think it represents a vast majority opinion of the alcohol ranks.
     
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  5. Ken Sitko

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    I totally agree with you Will. I think all of us run rpm chips anyway, why not mandate a maximum value and leave it at that?
     
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  6. The Zone

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    I don't think it will be mandatory, I think it will be optional is all. Not in favor of it either

    Dean
     
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  7. nitrohawk

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    Anyone hear any news on NHRA allowing the MSD digital timing programer for 05. Sure would beat the air timers and pressure switches.
     
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  8. DragRacer

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    Automatic Shifting would make the class tighter but reward the "marginal" drivers. Bad idea...
     
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  9. Dream Follower

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    You can e mail NHRA on this. There was a link off their site for comments. I would recommend a strong campaign of emails to the boys and girls, telling them this is a drivers class and no autoshifting allowed. If they want to limit RPM we should look at the digital ignition with some type of chip and a way to tech check the boxes. They seem to have a handle on Pro Stock and Fuel why not us.
     
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  10. Gerry Woz

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    Auto shifting is a bad idea..period.. and I already wrote my response to NHRA earlier when I saw it on the Sportsman/Divisional page. I'm not going to go into great depth about this again, but suffice to say the real reason NHRA would "permit" you to auto shift is because they want to eventually determine the rpm at which you shift at. You know what, don't offer to give up any control you have on the performance of our cars. It amazes me how some of you guys are so willing to "change" on a rumor from NHRA. NHRA wants to make our class a boring "Cookie-cutter" type car(This is a fact)...Stick to your guns and quit giving in so easily...if "you" can't drive then learn.. why should the class be brought down to the lowest common denominator...step up or step out... :mad:
     
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  11. Darren Smith

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    How much would this autoshift cost???
     
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  13. dmwells

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    The automatic shifter as proposed will not be a mandatory thing you can use it if you want to or not. The comments about needing to short shift because of tire shake are off because if you set it up right you would still be able to shift if need be. I personally can see some advantages to it. All you hands on drivers that have switched to A-fuel how much driving is there in that. I personally drive it by ear and when there is an A-Fuel car next to me I can't hear a thing. Just my 2-cents. Dave
     
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  14. Randy G.

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    I know the topic is TAD, but speaking for myself about funny car guys and gals, if you loose control over driving it the way it probably should be at a hole like Sacramento you better have a half dozen or so dumpsters ready for the mess. Even if a setup could be used that can be overidden it's really something I think is not in the spirit of driver vs. machine.

    There are so many things that can be done to make these cars safe nowadays, where do you draw the line. Heck, we might as well run a steel beam down the center of the track like SpeedZone has and make slot cars out of them. They could have oil drains on the track every 75 feet with automatic track washers. For the frequent flyer, a free car wash with every 7th run punched out on your time slip would be neat, too.

    [ October 29, 2004, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: Randy G. ]
     
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