Retrofit blower

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  1. B/AA813

    B/AA813 New Member

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    I understand that a retro blower needs to be set back on the intake to seal
    the front discharge pocket. Wouldn`t it be even better to center the front
    delta more in the middle of the manifold to improve mixture distribution?

    Any help would be appreciated

    BJ
     
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  2. craig moss

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    retro

    I have seen it done if you look close at some top furl and top alk rigs they are doing that and running a long snout with a brace on the snout :cool:
     
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  3. Mike Canter

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    BJ, thereare rules as to how back a blower can be set. The Kobelco K-11 Superman is a HH set back blower to try and distribute the air closer to the middle of the manifold. TF guys use a standard blower that is set back and have different rules. One of the main problems with a HH retro type blower is that the air comes out at around a 45* angle or less to the front of the blower.
     
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  4. SoDak

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    Do you mean class rules or rules of thumb?
     
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  5. B/AA813

    B/AA813 New Member

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    Retro blower

    @ Mike,

    to be more precise, i have bought a Littlefield 14-71 HH retro and I`am in the
    process to reweld my intake to avoid using the flimsy retrofit adapter.
    As we have no regulations here in Germany about how far a blower is allowed
    to be set back, i`am free to set it back more than just seal it to the intake if that would be an advantage.
    You stated that the air stream out of the blower outlet will point in an 45° angle to the front of the intake; does that mean it is reflected from the intake
    inner front wall to the back?
    Will the mixture (air) distribution be similar or equal to a conventional
    (fully open) bottom opening?

    thank you

    BJ
     
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  6. JP

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    As I understand yoy are allowed a 15" setback from the front of your pulley to the front of your rotor. It gets the blower right at the # 4 cylinder opening. It does help the engine breathe more equally as your nozzles will show. But if you bring the blower more back brace the blower manifold and be prepared for a very high cost snout.
     
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  7. Mike Canter

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    BJ, it is 45* or less. I am not sure that the term reflected back from the front of the manifold is the correct descriptions. It blows forward and hits the front then tries to work back through the new air being blasted at it. I don't think there is much true flow. Moving the blower back does help this problem but doesn't fix it. Moving it back reduces some of the pressure going into the two forwardcylinders and gets more into the 2nd and 3rd set back.

    A full bottom opening does help distribution especially with the setback but then a standard heats the air too much compared to a HH. Heated air works great with nitro but not with alcohol.
     
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    So whats the best rule of thumb for the delta mouth style retro?? We are having this discussion right now on mine. Is one inch back enough over standard or should we back it up?
     
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    set back

    we run ours at three inches back . you still need to even up the cyls. with your port nozzels.
     
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  10. KDavidson

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    I have no data other than real world what my eyes see data. We run a retro 6-71 front discharge, standard helix, in the stock location. Engine is a KB Olds on alky in a nostalgia funny car. We run 6 hat nozzles and 2 in the rear of the blower case. NO port nozzles. We run 6.90's at 41% over and the spark plugs are burning remakably equal. No data acquisition to verify EGT's, just a happy motor. Just my .02 cents.

    Keith
     
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    What kind of intake and heads?
     
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  12. KDavidson

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    Merlin steel 345cfm heads, un-molested and a Miersch (sp?) intake (tall)

    Keith
     
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  13. B/AA813

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    Retro Blower

    OK, reworked my intake to set the blower back 3 inches; looks as one can`t
    really improve mixture distribution on a "conventional" blower intake setting
    the blower back any further.

    I had used the following port jets (Enderle) with my 10-71 std. helix big bottom opening with decent temperature differences from front to rear:

    1 44 2 46
    3 42 4 42
    5 40 6 40
    7 38 8 38

    will the the temperature distribution be similar with my new 14-71 HH retro
    set back 3 inches? (would prefer using the same total port jet area)

    thank you

    BJ
     
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