This month's column at DRO: Give the blown cars some nitro?

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  1. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    Just read your story Will. From my experience, 5% would easily close that .05 of a second gap. Parts attrition is no problem with the shall percentage. Now we were doing this with a 8-71 on a Chevy which is quite different than your NHRA combinations. 5% would have to be the MINIMUM to see any performance increase. No more than 105 is my opinion for what its worth. I just wish IHRA would allow us 30% with Ethanol (hint-hint):D
     
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    Nitro for Blown Cars

    NHRA should look at adding weight to the A/F cars. People say that will only make them faster, by loading the motor more, but this was disproved by the fuel funny cars at Pomona. The extra weight they were given definitely slowed them down compared to their performance the last couple of years.
     
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    NHRA should let a blown team or teams test it on a third or fourth qualifying attempt.

    Should be able to see what it does to some extent.
     
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    Will wouldn't allowing the "C" Blower be easier than giving NHRA something else to Police?
     
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    Maybe i 'll catch hell for this idea but here go's have a max e/t say 5.35 or slower, what ever both are capable of doing , no electronics, then it will be a drivers race it would save every one money, no one has to change anything, I'm sure the nitro guys can adjust there tuneup to run slower, and save even more parts, and the blower guys don't have to blow all there shit up to compete.
     
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    you mean like a index??
    no thanks,
     
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    Ten to twenty five percent was our recommendation that we E-mailed Marty for improvements in performance. Have tried with Danny Gracia for two years now to get some movement on this point. No response. One other point that is important that I asked Marty about was the response of the racers to the fans. If we can't make an exciting show---we aren't going to get anything. They're the guys who really pay the bills. World Alcohol Racers had a great approach, but they went away with all the other good ideas that were underfunded. Racing for the tracks is a business. We have for some of the tracks that we have match raced at, had a before the race night of meet and greet the fans. Not all could do this, but we try to arrive the night before the divisional. If we could do it two hours earlier, I would be willing to help promote our show. Track owners look on us as poor children with dirty faces and hands out for $$$$. I always want these guys to be our friends and work with them to help the sport. I've never been let down by a track owner yet. One still stands out as a great guy: he bought us a great big part that we couldn't afford many years ago. Just walked into our trailer and gave us an envelope with the exact amount of cash in it that we needed. I never had so many tears in my eyes since my son was killed in 1980. Thank you Mr. _______. May God bless you always. Let's work with Marty to make whatever changes necessary to bring parity and good times again.
     
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  9. Bill Severino

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    Great points Will, it would be great if the sactioning bodies listened to the racers.......but we all know how the sanctioning bodies work!
     
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  10. Hokes Racing

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    What about the new M5 fuel that VP has I have heard its good for a .10 in most motors


    Lanny
     
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  11. Will Hanna

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    M3 & M5 info

    Here's some information I copied from the VP website:

    M3TM - M3 contains combustion and lubrication additives that improve vaporization and increase burning speed. These factors, combined with a better seal of the rings due to the lubrication additive, make substantially more power than straight methanol—up to a 50 Hp gain in a 1030 Hp engine. The improvement in throttle response is also significant—up to a 5% increase in torque across a wider rpm range. On-track results indicate a .02-.03 improvement in ET in the 1/8 mile. The improved combustion also helps the thermal efficiency of the air/fuel mixture. This expands the range of ignition, contributes to better ‘startability’ and more consistency run to run, while lowering the exhaust temperature 40-100°. Not only will M3’s improved combustion make more power and offer better protection against detonation, it also inhibits the noxious fumes you typically get with standard methanol, so it’s much easier on your eyes and nose. A somewhat unexpected benefit of M3 is a 30% decrease in fuel consumption. That means if you typically use 40 gallons over a race weekend, you’ll only need about 25-30 gallons of M3. M3 also includes an anticorrosion package, so there’s no need to add anything else to address lubrication or corrosion issues.

    To maintain the original properties and comply with Health and
    Safety regulations, this fuel should be handled and stored in a cool
    place and always maintained in tightly sealed drums.
    Property/
    Typical Values
    M1
    M3
    M5 Test
    Methods
    Specific Gravity
    @ 60F
    .795
    .784
    .816
    ASTM D 4052
    Reid Vapor
    Pressure
    4.60
    8.57
    7.66
    ASTM D 323
    Color Clear Clear Clear

    Since M3 is not pure methanol, it won’t pass a water test. But where permitted, it will substantially improve performance in 60-70% of all applications, requiring no jetting or timing changes—just pour it in and get up to 5% more Hp. However, not every vehicle will run quicker with M3. For example, in applications that typically run very rich, M3’s improved vaporization will lead to less volumetric efficiency, such that the car will run faster MPH, but stumble at the launch. In most of these instances, jetting changes will reverse that effect. In carbureted systems, smaller squirters and less aggressive pump cams will be required, while injection systems will require leaning out the idle system (not the main system). For customers who want more power but prefer not to deal with these adjustments, M5 will be the best option.

    M5TM – M5 is simply the best performing methanol on the market. With its upgraded combustion additives, M5 will make more power than M3, while offering the same or better protection against detonation. Like M3, M5 offers a wider range for tuning, as reflected by the fact that the bracket racers who have helped us in testing have experienced no problems with tuning or tuning consistency. M5 also reduces noxious methanol fumes, although not as well as M3. That means that while M5 is the best choice for making the most power in unrestricted applications, M3 will still be the best option for some venues, notably enclosed stadiums. M5 is not pure methanol and won’t pass a water test.
     
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