Clutch maintenance

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  1. Crew

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    I am curious what teams are doing to hold the clutch in place to do maintenance while another crew member is doing the bottom end? I do the clutch and try to hurry to get my stuff done or near before the bottom end guy gets to his but don't always make it.

    Any info? I've seen some teams use blocks, but that doesn't work on our new titanium clutch.

    C
     
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  2. afuelfreak

    afuelfreak New Member

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    clutch tool

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  3. T.A.D. 776

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    Cool tool to torque the flywheel bolts.
    But how will the bottom end guy rotate the engine to do his part ?
    We just stick the clutch line up tool in and let it all rotate.
    We try to time the job so as to not get clutch dust on the bottom end guy and out of the oiling system that keeps them both a lot happier.
    In a perfect scenerio the bottom end guy is doing corresponding rods while the valve adjusters are doing certain valves the mag cap is off so the guy turning the motor over knows where everybody is supposed to be and calling it out then rotating again when everybody is ready. The clutch guy sets the pack height as it goes around. Two rotations all done. The pan goes on the can goes on. Then valve covers and transmission spark plugs and oil in plug wires on and fire it up. Shut it off fill with fuel put the body panels on then take her off the stands. The gals folded the laundry. We all take a breather and we are ready for the next round. Sounds easy yea right.
    In less than perfect scenerio something is hurt and the heads have to come off. If hurt too much stack it back togeather and put her in the trailer. ( Low dollar team with no spare engine )
     
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  4. ITS IN MY BLOOD

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    Its called choreographed mayham,

    QUICK & BRIEF REFERENCE ONLY some things will be left out,..
    such as oil, lube, yelling ,cussing, screaming and kicking,
    the rest is TOP SECRET:D

    Car comes back from the run everybody does there part
    to get the car up in the air, and panels off, and restraints,
    clutch guy starts tearing into the clutch while the topend
    guy is pulling plugs to leak the motor down , bottom end guy
    is draining oil, and removing oil line, or dropping pan altogether
    with oil in it, topend guys still leaking down motor, clutch can comes off
    ,pull clutch discs off, a quick squirt of air to the flywheel to blow off the
    dust, as motor is turned for the leakdown, bottom end guy is
    cracking loose rod cap bolts and listening for air passing threw
    the rings. leak down done, bottom end guy gets busy..
    about 1:45 seconds per set of rods, changing out the upper shells,
    and zipping up the bolts on the rod cap to be torqued up at the end,
    during this time the clutch guy has his new pack set up and
    going onto the clutch stands, bottom end guy lets clutch guy
    know when motor is going to turn, get all bearings changed
    and go threw and torque the rods,..its all the clutch guys now.
    once clutch guy gets his initial setting on clutch adjustment, the
    topend guy can run the valves, once thats done clutch guy
    can have topend guy turn the motor,..or visa-versa or whatever
    order you want....bam 34 minutes later ready to fire....it will
    vary team to team and give or take 10 minutes.
    that is if all is well on the leak down, and the rods where ok, and
    nothing was broke on the valve train,...but,
    what do i know.....ITS IN MY BLOOD......A cha cha cha cha
     
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  5. T.A.D. 776

    T.A.D. 776 New Member

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    34 minutes WE WISH but I have seen it done with larger teams that have worked togeather for more than a few races. We usually have only three guys including the driver :) aka the nut behind the wheel :) and a gal or two. So multitasking is our game plan. And FYI we would be lost without the gals.

    This thread is getting fun lets hear from some other teams.
     
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  6. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    blown alky routine

    similar routine but different from what was mentioned...

    this is in between rounds on a tight turn around...

    depending on number of crewmembers...

    2 guys get the plugs out and covers off. in a 3 man situation, the bottom end guy is on one end and the top end guy is on the other. clutch guy gets busy immediately behind the motor plate. top end starts running valves while the bottom end guy is dropping pan. with a dry sump, the oil is drained out of the pick up side to save time, whoever cleans the pan can get the rest of the oil. the top end guy runs valves to be done with the engine by the time the bottom end guy needs the engine. top end or parts washer guy checks oil filter for major damage, cleans and replaces filter (have 3 elements for raceday to save time). parts washer guy cleans pan then refills oil and fuel. bottom end guy gets priority on turning engine. bottom end guy runs the rods. clutch guy cuts same discs, replaces a few if necessary. we always had some sort of plate to hold the flywheel while torquing the stands. the bottom end guy should be done with the motor by the time final adjustments are being made on the clutch, so the clutch guy can have the motor. when the pan is going back on, the valve train needs to be lubed and buttoned up. get the driver in the car to do air gap. once air gap is set, warm car. leave driver in the seat and reset airgap. depending on time constraints, if possible, relube valve train. on a tight turnaround with quick warmup, just put it on the ground and go. if you go rounds on sunday, you better be ready in 35-40 minutes, like it or not.

    a couple of speed tricks...

    have 3 filter elements for race day, esp if your short handed.

    if you're short handed, rotate a couple of oil pans. with a wet sump, the oil pan can be filled early in the day and ready to go in between rounds. eliminates the need to drain/clean/fill the pan.

    if your short handed and use individual quarts of oil, combine your quarts into 5 gallon cans that way you can just pour the oil in, eliminating the time used to open and drain individual containers.

    clutch- measure the gap between the donut and pressure plate after you've zeroed it. off the top of my head i think it's .125 or so. find something that's about ten thou bigger than that to stick down in that gap when your setting the stands. run all the stands all the way in before you put the pressure plate on. stick your 'feeler' in the gap and run the stand nut down until you feel light tension on your feeler. back the adjuster into the pressure plate until it's tight. torque and you should be damn near zero. you can play with your feeler until you get it dead on. this can eliminate several attempts to get the clutch adjusted.

    vic-

    doing the bottom end, it's my opinion that leaving the rods to be torqued until last leaves open the possibility to forgetting to torque the rods. i torque the rods as i go, then always, always always double check all 8. leaving the rods to be torqued last invites trouble if the guy doing the rods gets distracted. in between rounds may not be a prob, but lets say at night or back at the shop, you get a phone call or some other distraction...i'm sure it's happened.
     
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  7. ITS IN MY BLOOD

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    Will it can be done both ways, and yes if your not on your
    game there is a chance for someone to forget to retorque,
    i use to do 1 set of rods at a time and retorque, but i found it helped
    out the clutch guy the way i do it now, but
    either way, you do it 1 set of rods at a time, or front to back
    then back to front to retorque, its just a routine that can be
    modified to fit in with any crew,...and if your getting distracted
    that much to be forgetting the biggest part of the motor
    staying together,..(retorquing the rods),..
    then they, should find a different job to be doing, cause thats
    one that you just dont f-up....knock on wood..and if you
    are not sure, or even question the thought that you might have
    forgoton to torque or forgot something,..you better get your ass
    back down there and check them ALL.

    Also it depends with who your working with.....I do the bottom end
    this way because it allows the clutch guy to keep going
    with his adjustments at the topside of the flywheel.
    and NO i have not let that happen. You just have to know what
    your doing, and unless ITS IN YOUR BLOOD. its a challenge
    everytime...:rolleyes:
     
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  8. bryanbrown

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    WOW, well, uh, okay then. I couldn't even read the rest, I was laughing to hard.
     
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  9. T.A.D. 776

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    Not being a completly sick minded individual I totally missed that when I read it but had a good laugh after YOU pointed it out. Good thing Will has a sense of humor. Lest you recive his scorn. It is a great quality to be able to laugh at yourself. Don't take life to seriously you'll never come out of it alive anyway.
     
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