Pro Mag 44 Kill Switch Relay (pn 8134)

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  1. Fred

    Fred New Member

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    Anyone find that when using this relay, the Mag Kill switch works backwards? In other words, when you kill the mag on the switch panel, it actually puts power to it and vis-versa. I wired it exactly like MSD shows. The tech at MSD says that is the way it was made. Am I missing something?

    Any help is appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Fred
     
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  2. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    Nope, you are not missing a thing. That is exactly how it works.
     
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  3. Fred

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    Thanks Mike. Do you guys just live with the switch being that way or can you reverse something? Do I just need to get use to pulling the switch to kill the mag? Thanks again for your quick response. I can go have a beer and relax now.

    Fred
     
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  4. Witchdoctor 1967 Chevelle

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    Thats how it works. I threw the thing out. Works great now!
     
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  5. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    The solenoid works great and having it work like it does also makes our emegency cutoff switch in the back shut the mag off if there is a problem. I don't see a reason to make it work in reverse to what it is. We use a red covered aircraft switch and the driver flips the red cover open and turns on the switch when we want to start the car. To stop it he just hits the red cover which shuts the switch off when it closes. You can always quickly check and see that the cover is closed and the power is off for safety if turning the motor over to clear the cylinders. I guess I am used to those type of switches in aircraft.
     
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    Thoes solonids when energised have closed contacts which completes the ground to the mag. I also had them but took them off. If you are running a six shooter or retard box you can just use a good quality single pole switch to furnish the 12 volts to the retard box which will turn the mag on to run.
    turning the switch off takes the 12 volts off the retard and the motor will not run. I have been useing this setup for three years. had the battery wire break on a run at about 500 feet which is the same as turning the switch off.
    The driver almost hit his head on the steering wheel it was n instant dead motor.
    Many of the top fuel guys are doing this same thing but I know there are folks out there that have used the old Mallary and other expensive switches for years and they will probably continue doing so.
     
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  7. Fred

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    Just to make sure..... I have a Auto-Rod Controls control panel and I am using the ignition switch from that panel to control the Mag. When I turn that ignition ON, the relay kills the Mag. When I turn the ignition switch OFF it turns the Mag on??? Mike the aircraft switch that you described works properly since when you close the red cover it kills the motor. Mine does the opposite. Is it possibly in the switch? Sorry but I have to figure this out.

    Thanks again,

    Fred
     
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  8. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    Fred there are conflicting explanations being posted. Believe me here. This relay is REVERSE to a normall Ford style starter relay. The relay is what you call a Normally Closed Relay in a non energized state. This means with NO power on the relay it makes contact and shorts the positive side of the coil to the negative side of the coil or to ground so the car will not run if it is wired up correctly. When you apply 12 volts to the relay it opens the contacts and breaks the shorting ground loop and the mag will now fire.

    When you turn your ignition switch on it should allow the relay to energize and open the contacts and the car should be able to be started. With no power on the car the relay is closed and the coil is shorted out.

    Check your wiring against this:

    http://www.msdpromag.com/pdf/8134_killswitch.pdf
     
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  9. blown375

    blown375 New Member

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    I didn't wire mine like the MSD drawing shows, I run power thru the old school "big red button" on the dash , back to the 8134 relay and the negative side goes to ground ,this way when the big red button is out the mag is on then you just slam it to kill it fast and it works great!
    I think my way is safer if the switched hot lead gets shorted out the mag is dead, where as with the switched side going to ground if the switched side gets shorted the mag is still powered.
    I don't know why MSD shows to put the switch on the negative side, but I called them when I wired my car and they didn't give me a reason for wiring it that way but they said my way was acceptable .
     
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  10. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    same

    we have ours wired the same way blown375 does with the big red switch.

    mike, in reference to your switch set up. i don't know how long you've been running it but i would be inclined to run it the opposite way. the reason being i've seen racers run a kill switch that way where the red cover was open while the engine was running. well throw in some good tireshake, and the red cover slammed closed, killing the engine. the racer was alan bradshaw with his blown car against rick santos in noble. he was ahead of santos when the motor just went dead.

    just fyi.
     
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    Thanks to all you for the info and explaining how the darn thing works. This is a great site with some really cool people.

    Fred
     
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  12. Scotty Mac

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    We run our setup the same way Mike does. With the aircraft switch guard, it's tough to lift the guard and get at the switch with the driver gloves on, as opposed to just slapping the switch guard down and shutting the car off. So far, haven't had a problem with the car shutting itself down during shake, but I'm sure it's probable.
     
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  13. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    Thanks Will, I will take that under advisement. I have used those switches for years in aircraft and so far no problems with tire shake closing it yet. The switch has a real positive click into the open position.
     
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