Blown car wins again!

Discussion in 'Pit Buzz' started by ch3no2, Jun 18, 2006.

  1. ch3no2

    ch3no2 New Member

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    Congrat's to the whole Bohr family. Awesome job, Great to see you back out and kicking ass!!!!
     
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  2. the1dweeber

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    what a weekend three races and all three were won by blown cars... someone should slow them down!!!!
     
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  3. ch3no2

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    Great job Jeff!

    What's the excuse this time. Arthur was a tenth faster than the field? That really helped him on Sunday. I know all the blown guys are pissed that a blown car won. That shoots down their theory that blown cars can't compete. I guess your right, they don't have a chance. Nice job Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  4. Woodchip

    Woodchip Top Alcohol Dragster

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    Congratulations Bohr Brothers!!

    Well it kind of helps when the A/F cars leave the starting line with the next pair of cars. You can almost stage against them with a tricycle and still win. Would that mean theres parity between tricycles and a/f cars? No I didn't think so. Nice Job Jeff!
     
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  5. ch3no2

    ch3no2 New Member

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    yes!

    It would mean parity if the tricycle's won close to 50% of the time like the blown cars do.
     
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  6. LaDon

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    Pairity means the cars run the same and the best team and driver wins not that ppl cut bad lights and cant get their cars together for the next round. That would be a crew and driver issue.
     
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  7. JBJ

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    So you are sure it's the people (drivers) that cut bad lights and not the way most A/F cars leave?
     
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  8. LaDon

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    I have seen Ashely cut lights in the .030s and do it several times so it can be done
     
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  9. was R4K

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    I agree with JBJ- anyone who knows anything about any alcohol or fuel car knows that reaction time is not only driver reaction- car set up has at least an equal amout of input--Hawley has a driver reaction timer on his school cars and most drivers are equal in reaction- you can anticipate- you can deep stage etc. all these including amount of pedal travel and throttle travel have a bearing on total reaction time---so--even though I prefer the blown cars I feel it is unfair to single out the driver on a/fd's--JMO
     
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  10. Woodchip

    Woodchip Top Alcohol Dragster

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    Notice the word "driver" doesn't appear in my post above.
     
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  11. Randy G.

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    Amazing semi-final and final. Last time I saw that happen was when DT won the Winternationals in 2004. Never had to race anyone in the final. DT says the Wally still looks the same on the mantle, though. And a win is a win.

    The other half of that semi-final was between Gordon and White. Doug Gordon was backing up from his burn out and was shut off due to an oil leak while Marc White shut ours off because the oil pressure gauge said ZERO.

    RG
     
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  12. LaDon

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    So what are you getting at on the deal that a driver cant cut a bad light? I will be the first to admit that when I run my bracket car and cut a bad light it generally is cause I messed up and did it my car didnt mess it up. I can agree that at Franks school ppl do pretty much react the same no arguement there. Here is my question tho if everyone reacted the same everytime then why do we see good lights and bad lights they should all be the same shouldnt they? The reason is cause they mess up at the line and lose a little consentration and cut a bad one. It is called we are human some are just closer to being a machine than others but nobody is perfect so dont say that the bad lights are just cause of the car. I do agree with you R4K there is stuff you can do to the car on the setup. My question there is that if you cut a .050 light then why would you want to set it up different so you cut a .150 light? Now if a person just plain missed the setup on a run I can see that one but if they are doing it on purpose there must be a reason. Now the best cars like Bill Richert, Conways car, and those that do run big numbers and have the field covered by a tenth or more then I would set it up to not redlight cause usually a .125 light will still get them the win. I guess I just dont buy the fact that the reaction time deal is not at least 75% driver otherwise all reaction times for that driver would be exactly the same whether good or bad.
     
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  13. was R4K

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    HERE IS MY TAKE- car #1 average reaction times .40 but comes up with a .90 on a run= driver slow reaction (generally speaking and times are just a baseline) car #2 average reaction time 1.1 but comes up with a .30 = anticipation by driver-
    in other words if a car has a reaction time out of it's average that is likely due to the driver either anticipating or slow reacting often due to factors you mentioned. BUT - consistant slow reaction times of particular cars are very likely not due to driver error etc.
    Sorry- I have no idea what causes bad times in a bracket car as they seem to not need a driver with all the electronic gizmos they seem to have - no offense meant, I just don't understand their technology??
     
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  14. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    parity

    ch3no2-

    so what your saying is since there's the possibility that an a/fuel car can miss the tuneup or be late on sunday that there's parity?

    is it safe to say with any kind of car running over a tenth off your qualifying time in the same event is 'missing the tuneup'? (i know weather extremes are an exception)

    is it safe to say that a .1 anything light is late?

    when spencer massey has a .023 rt average in 14 elimination rounds this year in an a/fuel car, is it safe to say that an a/fuel car has the potential to cut a light, regardless of whether it's the car or driver?
     
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  15. LaDon

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    R4K I will explain the reason for bad lights in bracket racing with all the electronics. Here it is: The driver!!!!!! The electronics do the same thing the driver messed up. Now if that many bad lights are cut just cause of the driver in bracket racing when it is supposedly so easy to cut perfect lights just think how many are done without them.
     
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  16. LaDon

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    Oh and thanks Will I see you know how it works. Unfortunatly ppl this game is built on thousands of a second now days and every one counts whether it is from et or reation time. Everyone needs every last one they can get except when the cars can run a tenth faster then they can diliberatly give up a little somewhere.
     
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