Fuel pressure drop over bv

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  1. Flyboy68

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    Anyone recall roughly what the fuel pressure drop is through the barrel valve? eg. fuel pressure at pump is 100psi, what is fuel pressure at the port? Was thinking it was only around 2-3 lbs....

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  2. Blownalky

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    I think it may be relative to your pump/nozzle/flow but I just checked on my RacePak and at 8263 RPM I had 155 at the pump and 132 on the other side of the barrel valve going to the nozzle block at full open throttle.
     
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  3. Flyboy68

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    Hey thanks for the info! That's more than I thought it would be, however that is at a higher rpm and higher pressure.

    Thanks again
     
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    There are many variables but 20 psi is a starting point.
     
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  5. Mike Canter

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    Let me ask this. At wide open throttle the BV is a straight pass through so why is there a pressure drop especially a reported 20 psi drop. That would tell me that maybe things are not adjusted correctly and the BV is not wide open or the pressure sensors are out of calibration or there is something else in the fuel path causing the drop. Take a BV and turn it wide open and look through it.
     
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  6. ozrace

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    Mike is right.. an Enderle K valve is 1/2" straight through, the high flow valve is bigger again.
    There is virtually no pressure drop from the barrel valve. I measured 2 pounds on my flow bench with a K valve and standard fittings.

    But there is a drop from lines and fittings.. before and after the barrel valve, and I think this is what people sometimes call the "barrel valve drop".
    A high volume fuel system can definitely lose 30 pounds or more between the pump and the nozzles.
     
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  7. Mike Canter

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    Well that was going to be my next statement. You beat me to it. A close friend of mine recorded the pressure drop through the BV numerous times on a flow bench and also came up with a 2 lbs drop average. Les Davenport's Jetsize software assumes that you are reading the fuel pressure before the BV and applies a 2 lbs drop through the BV in the computations after many flow bench tests.
     
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    I agree that the number I gave seems high. The pump pressure comes out of the block on top of the Waterman and the nozzle point is on the lower back port of the barrel valve. I have the fuel shutoff, two 90 and one 120 degree -10 fittings in there in addition to a System 1 -10 filter. When I get the car back from the chassis shop, I'm going to double check the filter but I just cleaned it a bit ago. I forget what micron rating of the filter is.
     
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    Its GPM dependent, the more GPM the more pressure drop.

    Off the top of my head on my flow bench,,,

    About 10 GPM thru square barrel valve I read 220 psi before BV and 200 after.

    Switched it to a K valve and the psi dropped to basically 0.
     
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    All my data stated above is from a K type BV. I think you will not find it GPM dependent but a percent of the pressure.
     
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    So if you only have 6 GPM going thru the BV or if you have 20 GPM, you think the PSI loss will be the same?

    It might be a % of the actual PSI reading, but the increase in PSI comes from the increase in GPM.

    Regardless, there is very little restriction in a K valve
     
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  12. Mike Canter

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    I think it is actually the other way around. If the orifice size remains the same then you need to increase pressure to increase flow.
     
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    I forgot about the fuel filter. That'd definitely make for more pressure on the pump side.

    I figured the barrel valve isn't a solid run through with the spool and exit ports, this would cause an interruption in flow and cause more pressure on the back side then the front.

    Found some old data when I had psi sensor on pump. I was about 35 lbs (120 pump, 85 on port dist block)
     
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  14. Flyboy68

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    what if the port ck is subtracting from the total? eg. 100 before bv, 95 after bv, 75 in dist block due to 20lb port ck
     
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  15. Mike Canter

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    The port check will subtract from the incoming pressure to the check but that has nothing to do with the pressure drop across the BV. A K type BV is pretty clean at WOT therefor only an average of a two pound pressure drop. Could be that people are comparing the pressure seen at the distribution block to the input of the BV and as you say that will take into account the drop through the port check and will be viewed as a 20 lbs loss total.
     
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    Yeah just to clarify, my sensor was in the port block behind the ck valve. pump sensor was in the pump.
     
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    If your reading pressure before the barrel valve and after there would be a pressure drop that is a variable number depending on your main jet and high speed. Your main jet pill in the barrel valve is taking fuel and pressure away from the system past the barrel valve and also if you have a high speed coming off you barrel valve. If you had had a blank in the main jet and no high speed coming off the barrel valve they you probably wont have a pressure drop but in real life application you will see a pressure difference between the two sides.
     
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  18. Mike Canter

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    Not sure what you are saying is correct. In a fuel system that uses the correct size hoses and fittings the main jet size in the BV varies the pressure both before and after the BV during WOT. That is if measured after the BV and before any restriction such as a Y fitting or check valve. If you monitor fuel pressure before the BV you can observe the pressure change caused by changing the main jet. Same applies having a fuel bypass before or after the BV it makes no difference at WOT it is felt through out the whole fuel system.
     
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