Powergrid

Discussion in 'PSI Superchargers Tech Questions' started by Chris Murphy, Jul 18, 2012.

  1. Chris Murphy

    Chris Murphy New Member

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    I'm installing a powergrid on a blown Hemi in a Promod. Should i be taking fuel out on the two step? And if so how and how much? Or just leave it alone. Thanks in advance for any help. Chris.
     
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  2. aj481x

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    Some do, Some don't ;)
     
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  3. Andy C

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    power grid

    we put one (2) and now taking it out. don't seem to work as good as 8973.. do a search on here... i read all wires need to be grounded/shielded...
     
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  4. Mike Canter

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    What type blower on your PM. Yes take out fuel on the Two Step. Type blower makes a difference as to how much. There is a lot of interference radiated by the ignition systems on these cars. It makes a big difference if FC or a PM. You should mount the box as far away as you can from the magazine and coil. It is necessary to use a shielded and grounded cable from the crank trigger to the Power Grid. Route all cables away from other cables and plug wires. This applies to all boxes including the Leahy boxes, autoshifters, 8973 or anything else.
     
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  5. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    Power Grid

    The 8973 Box is still the Devil in my book, we have a Power Grid on Chris Foster's TAFC and love it. I think the Power Grid fixed some of the problems with the 8973. It looks like it's encased a little better than the 8973. The software interface seems a bit more user friendly than the 8973.

    I also like the fact it is USB, not serial like the 8973. The MSD ReView is pretty nice, kind of works like a back-up data logger and it lets you monitor what the box did during a run.
     
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  6. JustinatAce

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    If you're having problems with the Power Grid, double check all your grounds and make sure your supply battery isn't shorting itself out under load.

    The review function is also helpful if you think you're having ignition problems. MSD has was of viewing things on the logged runs that can tell you if everything is functioning properly and your inputs are all working right. Even the crank trigger signal.
     
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  7. AFC357

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    :eek::eek:I know Will feels the same way I do about thr 8973, I blew up a BUNCH of @#%$ after installing and it went away when I took it off ( I also made some Crew changes that had their hands on it too so that could have been a factor??!!)
     
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  8. Andy C

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    power grid

    What did you to make it work propery??? We didnt use shielded white wire to mag.
    Are you recording timing with a speparate sensor other then MSD???
    when we put it on the 2 step with the grid, the timing is jumping all over the place... once into the run doesn;t go back to full timing... we loose 2deg. with grid.
     
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  9. moparchris440

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    1871 M5 526 BAE 2700 hp with Grid I pull fuel with a solenoid while on 2 step no jet in it = .130 works great
     
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  10. Horweenracing

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    Here is are dilemma right now we may think is the cause from the PowerGrid.

    Running a screw blown 526 KB olds pro mag 44 with power grid. only using the box to pull timing and 2 step. 1st pass car goes right down the track. come back pull a little less timing from back side 1.95 to 1.80 ONLY change made. Go up there get on 2 step it lifts the blower leaving at 4000 . came back to pit checked all plugs look good ran valves still are perfect pulled blower off checked everything. before race also put in NEW PLUGS,NEW WIRES, NEW CAP and ROTOR.

    Put everything back together tried to start car again in pit starts up perfect looking at laptop as car runs hit transbrake button first no gas and watch the timing drop on the gauge to make sure that is working correctly. then next we barely hit the gas on no 2 step goes to maybe 3500-4000 and lifts the blower again.

    Kind of lost at this point what is going and thinking it has to be in the ignition. have heard of others having problems with this box before.

    Any help would be much appreciated

    Thanks,
    Aaron Horween
     
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  11. Mike Canter

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    Are you taking out timing when on the Two Step if so how much? Are you pulling out fuel on the Two Step and if so what jet are using? When you made the first pass what was the max EGTs and what did the plugs look like?

    Are you running a crank trigger and is the ground wire for the trigger shield hooked to the chassis? Does the crank trigger cable run close to any plug wires or the coil wire? Doe the crank trigger run in a bundle of wires or by itself? And if you have a crank trigger extension cable is it a MSD shielded cable and is the small black shield wire grounded to the chassis

    H
     
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  12. Horweenracing

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    Hey Mike we are not pulling timing on the 2 step just at the release of the button. We are pulling out fuel on the 2 step with a 98 jet in there now. the EGTS were all on the conservative side hottest one being 1054 pulled the plugs after the second pass pretty much look like new. And we are not running a crank trigger
     
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  13. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    That's interesting. Have you done and cylinder leak down and a valve spring pressure check?
     
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  14. Scotttrod

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    I had the same thing happen (popping blower off at the hit), several intake valve seats were beaten down with lots of leak down. New seats and problem solved.
     
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  15. Blown5402

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    Power Grid

    I ran the 8973 with no problems except serial port hook-up problems over the years, but went to the Power Grid this year. I really like it on a blown alcohol BAE ProMod, but had a few issues that were my fault at first. I did not have the proper grounds and had some starting and misfire problems, but all is great now and love the ease of use. I also take a lot of fuel out on the 2-step to help keep cylinder temperatures up before the launch. Most all cylinders are warm now and up to temperature when I leave but the colder cylinders do make the temp I want now by the end of the run. I use the Power Grid with the 2-step for launch timing retard and the 2-step, and to send data to the Racepak. THANKS, Jim
     
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    That is entirely too hot against the brake.

    Brandon Booher
    NHRA TAD #3
    Torque MGMT. - Owner
     
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  17. B.DOUCET

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    Read it a couple times, I think he was talking about temps during the run.
     
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