rossler 210 vs lencodrive or bruno

I am thinking about switching to a rossler, lencodrive or Bruno. I need some feedback. I heard from one person that every rossler he knows of broke.
I am running a 528 he I dmpe roots k11 deal any help would be appreciated
Thanks

 

Rossler, Lencodrive or Bruno

Hey,
I was doing the same thinking not to long ago and I went with a Bruno and lenco behind it. This is my reasons:

Q1) Converter drive or automatic : The automatics are somewhat new in the high power range, so you will be the breaking new ground whether you want to or not. The major draw back of the automatic is that you are stuck with the gear ratios they have right now.

Q2) Lenco or Bruno drive: I choose the Bruno since I like the transbreak design better than lenco plus the oil in the Bruno is separated from the transmission behind it. Secondly you have the option to change transmission behind it.

I hope it helps you out !

Moe

 

The Bruno has a lot of issues, there's a reason nobody with the option runs them - that runs well. Go with the Lencodrive, proven and perfect.

Brandon Booher
NHRA TAD #323
Torque MGMT. - Owner

 

If I was buying new it would be a B&J Quickdrive or Lencodrive

 

auto

Plenty of fast stuff runs Brunos. They have become rare mostly due to weight problems.
I've had decent results with mine and I can change ratios easier than any setup i've seen.
When I first bought my Bruno lencodrives were burning up brakes and redlighting constantly. I think it's closer to perfection now, but you'll still never see one in a turbo car because of brake weaknesses.
The Rossler is limited on ratios and I would not want to work on one at the track.
Get something CS2 based and you can borrow stuff everywhere. If you are serious about weight the lencodrive is probably 30lbs lighter for a 2 speed.
If you talk to a converter builder that understands hydraulics he'll tell you that all the current drives have fluid flow issues of different kinds.
I almost forgot the caveman Lenco reverser is a real peach. Several different scenarios will explode the planetary and it makes plenty of metal even when pampered.

 

What are people's thoughts on the B&J these days and how is the weight versus a bruno or lenco drive?

 

Can't say much for what's in front of the trans obviously, never used any.. But for the trans/reverser itself, you really can't beat the B&J.. This is coming from someone who has snapped the chassis around the trans, and shook it so hard the fire bottles have gone off(on separate occasions). Still haven't rolled a sprag, even on the old single sprag B&J and trust me, its not for lack of trying. If the Quick Drive unit is built even half as stout as the trans, I would imagine it's a pretty badass piece.

Hard to beat Strasburg's service too.

 

Pretty sure there are quite a few guys who have done more than decent with the Bruno. Todd Tutterow rings a bell, as well as a ton more. Like was stated above, they all have issues, but a lot of them are also self-induced.

They all also have their own perks too. Just depends how much you want to spend. Guys that currently have a CS1 and want to go to a Lencodrive would need to "off" the CS1 stuff and change to CS2(Lencodrive utilizes CS2 Gearsets). CS2 is much better, but not everyone has the extra cash to do it.
You can keep the same CS1 stuff and bolt it directly to a Bruno or the Quickdrive by B&J. But if you have the CS2 stuff already, no doubt that a Lencodrive makes sense in that instance.

 

I got a rossler that aint broke ...... and you cant beat the service

 

rossler vs bruno vs lencoddive

I have a cs1 now with Molinari pedal clutch. But I am street driving it. Want less maintence and ease of street driving.

 

Seems like the Rossler 210 would be up to the task if this is a street-driven deal, any other combination is going to include the Lenco reverser which is a pain in a race car, so imagine its even more of, driving on the street...... $.02

BTW, I wanted to try the B&J unit several years ago but I had an earlier CS-2 with the 6-spline input and Tony (I think) said they couldn't justify the tooling to mate the Q-D to the earlier splines, so if your CS-1 is 6-spline, the Q-D probably won't be an option.

 

hmmm well I wonder if youd call eric dillards car or any of the r2b2 turbo cars which still hold records street cars .or troy coughlin jose gonzalaes and many others I cant even think of all driving 250 mph door cars ar 2650 lbs at least..... iv had a rossler auto behing my turbo hemi for over a year
we like the trans and the service

 

rossler vs bruno vs lencoddive

I'm wondering how tuff rosslers really are.
I've heard great things
And they all break to easy.
Not sure what to think.

 

they can break if you abuse them and the breakage is confined to burning some plates and bands which are easily changed at the track the only problem we had was spooling on the trans brake and the rpm and boost got to high and it drove through the band,

how tough are they realy...well the fact they are so widley used tells the story why isn't coughlin/Gonzales/lowry/dillard using brunos/lencodrives its not weight cause the rossler weighs damn near as much as those units
are people who come here saying they break talking about the XHD pro mod spec 210s and turboglides

 

and if I had to chose a converter drive which I am concidering for my tmfc id chose a quickdrive
but ill talk to Carl (Rossler) first

 

All the guys you listed run Rossler because that's what Petty is comfortable with...he ran powerglides and fought reliability issues for years.
if I was trying to outrun screw cars with a turbo i'd want all the ratio options that they have at least.
Tutterow is a big Rossler fan but he doesnt like the ratios so he usually runs a bruno. As far as the OP if you're going to drive on the street the Rossler has the best chance for a speedometer drive cable...lol.

 

rossler vs bruno vs lencoddive

I use a GPS speedo.
But automatic would be best.

 

Quick drive

Another option you should consider is the Quickdrive by U.S. Performance trans. It can use either the Lenco or B & J trans behind it. It is similar to the Lencodrive (I was told made by the same guy) except that the case is aluminum and it has it's own clutch pack for the trans brake so it won't creep at high launch rpm which makes the unit a separate item from the transmission also great if you ever hurt the trans it won't get into the converter unit's fluid. This separate unit acts like a Bruno unit. I just got one and am very excited to run it. Tony Eben at U.S. Performance trans is a great guy to deal with as well. Tell him Trevor Sherwood sent you if you call him. 303-521-8750 / 303-783-1290 Can't recall which is shop and which is cell but try them both and he'll pick up one of them. You can also purchase them through Mike Strasburg at B and J and Mike is an amazing guy to work with as well. Mike Noels runs one in NHRA pro mod with good success and I'm sure many others have have ran them with lots of luck too. They have also tested and started lightening the newer units as well.

http://www.bandjtransmission.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&Itemid=71

Best wishes,
Trevor Sherwood
727-364-4368

 

Rossler

Rossler all the way... He makes mutiple gear sets... Had it for years without any problems, we run a screw at 3000lbs