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  1. slowboy0

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    I am fairly new to blown alcohol.

    On Thursday night I went and test ran my boat on a local lake. It ran super and made a ton of power. I made two runs and was getting low on fuel so I decided to quit for the night. I went and got another barrel of fuel the next day, then drove 6 hours south to race the boat on Saturday. I did not change anything.

    The boat was lazy, popping out of the exhaust, bogged out of the hole and basically ran like crap.

    Am I missing something here? Maybe a change in fuel quality or specific gravity? Any ideas?
     
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    check the fuel somebody neer me got e85
     
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    Popping sounds way too lean...temp/humidity/barometer all have a huge effect on blown alcohol motors. You need to keep records of all these things when making a lap so you can refer back to the records to replicate performance in any given weather condition
     
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  4. Mike Canter

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    Disagree with you. Popping out the exhaust is a misfire or running so rich that unburned fuel is igniting in the exhaust. Running lean causes backfires into the intake manifold and can lift the blower. I do agree with the weather station and checking the Density Altitude. For every one hundred feet of DA change is one size change in the main jet.
     
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    I am sure it was not too fat, the oil looks perfect and I did not see any fuel coming out of the zoomies.

    The elevation at home is 1362 and the elevation where I was racing was 774. That is the only change other than the fuel.

    I got the fuel from the same place that I got it last time and am positive that it is methanol.

    I have not had to write anything down yet, because I have not tuned this thing one bit yet (as far a jetting) Any insight or advice would be great.

    Thanks, Ryan
     
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  6. Mike Canter

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    How many runs on the sparkplugs? How old are the plug wires, how old is the coil wire? Those two elevations you listed are actual elevations and NOT density altitude. You tune by density altitude. As you say your oil looks good so most likely an ignition problem or a broken or weak exhaust valve spring.
     
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  7. slowboy0

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    The spark plugs probably have a little more than an hour of run time on them, and look good in my opinion. The plug wires are less than a week old, as well as the coil wire. I just had the mag serviced by FEI.

    The valve springs look good and were new this early summer. I dont think the engine has 2 hours on it yet, including the dyno time.

    I dont understand what could make this engine run so completely different literally 36 hours later.
     
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  8. Mike Canter

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    I think you should by a weather station such as a Computech or Kestral that gives you computed Density Altitude and change your main jet accordingly. You will find that it will make a big difference to your performance. The other thing to do is to try another set of plugs. Sometimes the porcelain around the center electrode can get glazed and will short out a plug and cause unburned fuel to enter the exhaust and ignite
     
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    I will try some new plugs and see if it makes a difference in how it runs. How often do most top alcohol guys change their plugs?
     
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    Every run if you are tuning the car. If you are sure of the tuneup and it is safe then two runs. Also gap them at .015"
     
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    Maybe my problems are due to my plugs. I removed them and they dont look all the bad (to a gas guy) but did notice a few of them with some discolored porcelain. Maybe the plugs are doing something similar to carbon tracking?

    Also, I had my plug gap set at .020, I will narrow it up a bit. What is a good heat range plug to use. I am using NGK r5671a-8 plugs right now.

    Thanks again, I really appreciate the help.
     
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  12. Mike Canter

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    The heat range needs to be a -10 or a -11 just for safety to keep the center electrode as cool as possible. It makes no difference to reading the base circle on the plugs in a alcohol motor. Try new plugs and cLose them up to .015". Yes sometimes you can get a coating on the porcelain that can short them right out.
     
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  13. Comax Racing

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    What type of ignition are you running? When I had a marginal mag SMIII I would kill a set of plugs in 1-2 passes. First pass would be strong, next one not too bad, third pass the engine was popping /bogging and I was getting fuel out the headers. Plugs would look fine but they were done. A fresh set would put things back where I was in the first run. Rebuilt the mag and it was way better, at 27psi it still was not enough mag however.

    Corey
     
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    I am running a sprintmag II, it was just serviced at FEI. I will narrow my plug gap up a little bit and change to a cooler plug.

    Thanks for all the help!

    Ryan
     
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