blower inserts?

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  1. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    In addition to the talk behind the scenes about two step launches, there is much talk on whether blower inserts should be outlawed.

    First off I would have to ask what you consider an insert. Does everyone with a weld in PSI plate or Randy plate have to take them off? What about the carbon hats with diverters molded in?

    My opinion is it's a little late. They're on more cars than you think. There's more than one guy making them. I know of one car that won national events as far back as 05-06 that had one installed. Probably been before then too. Manzo and DeJoria proved that mid .40s at 267+ are attainable without the name brand injector/shoe package. Nothing against that package, but I think some of the motivation behind this movement is that everyone is going to have to spend $5000 plus to keep up.

    When Norm Grimes went to work for Morgan Lucas' AFD, I called him up to ask if there was any BAD info he would like to sell. He said just keep working on your blower, it's the most important part of your car.

    That's just my opinion, what's yours?
     
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  2. Gizmo

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    Although it's just campfire rumors, SUPPOSEDLY Frank and Alexis had the Cantrell insert. NHRA is reviewing a 2005 ammendment to the rulebook in which modifying the intended function of the supercharger is outlawed, supposedly they believe the insert falls under that. If they're interested in keeping the costs down then outlaw it. It is hard to tell the guy who doesn't have one that it doesn't make much difference when the guys that run them are resetting records that have stood for 5 years.

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  3. bmoore

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    Intended function

    I think the intended function of the blower is to put more air in the motor, therefore inserts are still legal.

    Backyard logic from Canada.

    Bill Moore, Cowie TAD 3
     
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    NHRA is not going to outlaw anything. They're getting exactly what they want - cars running 50's. Once the 50's become consistent, then they'll go to an 8 car field. Then you'll see the pros, 16 pro mods, 8 alcohol funnycars and 8 dragsters, and 8 nostalgia funnycars.
     
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    Ummm...we tried to be tricky with said "trickery" and didn't gain any thing but a ding in the pocket book. So all I'm gathering is people crying about nothing. There are other way's to make your car faster if you pay attention to what your car needs. If this is becoming something we are gonna cry about because some "guy" runs faster than we are "supposed" to run with our current setup...I believe Shields went .20 flat and Reichert went .24 at Gainesville and we went .25. I also remember shields going .23 at Pomona....tell me what I'm missing...please.


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  6. Tommy

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    you'd be money ahead if NHRA would just let everyone go back to 125% in TA/FC. insert or no insert it wouldn't matter. I'd rather see the c blower gizmo allowed before having to spend $5800 on an insert and injector. just give them the damn blower. the reason the overdrive as dropped to 125% 10 years ago was because it was going to save everyone a lot of money. what a joke that was and still is
     
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  7. JustinatAce

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    I would tell someone without it this: First, Frank has always been able to run that quick without it, maybe even as fast. Second, it took an insert combo for someone else to break Manzo's record. Also consider the fact that the average ET's in the class have been progressively lowering for some time, more people going faster. 3rd.. CONDITIONS!! 1000-1200ft at Pomona, low grains and cool. -1000ft @ Gainesvile and track prep has been impressive for Alky and Pro Stock at both events so far. Weather conditions you might see once every 5-10 years. Most cars aren't using the power they have anyway, so is more really going to help? Resetting records and having the fastest something on the planet is all good, but last time I checked winning races is what gets you points. I don't think you can conclusively prove utter domination by fancy blower stuff quite yet, just maybe 10 really impressive laps.
     
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  8. bmoore

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    Agreed

    It has always been my understanding that the bottom "trickery" was a definite no no.

    Probably should stay that way as all we are doing is spending more money. I think we may be getting close (not there yet) to parity and that is or should be the goal.

    What Adam said is true, we have more we just need more runs to get it. Same can be said for the Afuel guys.

    Bill Moore, Cowie TAD3
     
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