building a blown hemi altered. wet sump or dry sump?

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  1. alkydrager

    alkydrager Member

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    I've heard with a hemi wet sump i will not be able to do a long burnout. Is this true?
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  2. Ken Sitko

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    depends how long the burnout is, I guess. Problem with the wet sumps is that you only have about 10 quarts or so in the pan, and if you stay up at rpm for a long time, all that oil will gather in the top of the motor, and will take a while to trickle back down. Same thing happens if your competitor is burning you down on the line, if you are at high rpm for 5 seconds during stage, there is not much oil left for the run, thus you turn a bearing or kick the rods out. Installing a dry sump pretty well guarantees that you will have oil at all times, as there will always be oil dumping back into the 18 gallon reservoir.
     
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  3. alkydrager

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    Thank you
    Jody
     
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  4. jim phillips

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    what i never heard about this

    i have been doing long burnouts forever wet sump 12 quarts in the pan i have never hurt a bearing and i always have 120lbs of oil preasure when i leave
     
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  5. Will Hanna

    Will Hanna We put the 'inside' in Top Alcohol
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    fill

    There are a few things you can do.

    Make sure you have the proper restrictors for your valvetrain set up. That's a broad statement, so check with whoever your parts mfg on that is. Sometimes it helps to restrict the oil to the top of the motor so too much oil isn't pumped up there.

    If you think you have a supply issue, add quarts. It may be above the baffle before you fire, but it won't be for very long....

    "You know why they call them oil returns? Because they return oil on the return road." - Norm Drazy
     
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  6. jody stroud

    jody stroud ZOMBIE Top Dragster

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    MBR Hemi 16 quarts in a wet sump Olson pan, no problems. Long burnouts.
     
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  7. hemi altered 378

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    we run 16 quarts in our altered.....wet sump....olsen dragster pan (deep) no issues. we used to run 13, and had the gauge doing crazy stuff when i stopped after burnout. went from 180 down to 30, then right back up there. i know it sounds crude, but just add oil until the gauge doesn't drop. hope this helps
    Darren
     
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  8. secondwindracing

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    long burn outs are croud pleasers and fun....but it is so hard on parts...just some food for thought..Dave
     
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  9. alkydrager

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    Thank you guys for your input!!
    Jody
     
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  10. blown375

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    I run a wet sump in my Brad Hemi with a system1 oil pump and a Dan Olson 12 quart dragster oil pan plus I use the Snyder/Williams valve covers with the oilers in them.
    I use 13 quarts of Brad Penn nitro 70 oil and I have had ZERO oil related failures and I have run the same main bearings in the engine for three years.

    I might not do as long a burnout as some of the funny car guys, but I'm not easy on it either!

    ***PURPLE SPITZER DRAGSTER****
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8kg_TuBLzY

    http://www.youtube.com/user/frigonracing#p/u/1/ORy4qdcsyYQ

    I know they claim that dry sumps are worth a couple of horsepower but .... is it enough to make up for the added forward weight ?
     
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  11. aafa434

    aafa434 Fuelish Habit

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    Add an accumulator

    a 3-qt accululator and the advice from Will Hanna will solve all your concerns. We have been running a wet sump, 3 qt accumulator with 15 qts of Brad Penn 70 wt in a 526" TFX 2000 nitro altered and the bearings look like they came out of the package. Jeff Johnson pan with the trumpet balls helps at the chutes. System 1 - 2.1" pump. -8 oil line to the rear main. Oil is no longer an issue (except for the cost of 15 qts/run!)
     
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  12. Peacemaker AFC

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    oil pump

    thanks Jim Phillips for saying what I was just going to say hell you know how old gibbsy does them damn half track smoky burnouts and rob driving the old peacemaker doing the same thing without bearing problems.
     
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  13. Peacemaker AFC

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    dry sump vs wet sump

    It is all up to you if you feel the need to spend the money to put a dry sump setup on it then go for it. My philosophy is all its doing is adding weight to the front of the car. All those extra lines, tanks, etc add weight. I have never had bearing problems from using a wet sump in fact im using an ancient KB billet pump from 97 and still working fine doing 3- 350 foot burnouts and having zero pressure drop.
     
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