High Helix, Retro vs std opening

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  1. wagspe208

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    OK, long story short. I have a 10-71 Mooneyham on a 8.0 drag boat. 500" engine. It is their "ski blower" meaning it is stripped to case, but not rotor to rotor. Cast rotors. I need to make about 5# more boost. This one quits making boost after turning over about 22%.
    Obviously stripping the rotor sides would help. But how much?
    What are the advantages of going to a high helix? Then Hi Helix Retro?
    It is a bracket boat and always will be, so I don't need to make a million pounds of boost. Probably 20 max!
    What do you think?
    Oh, yea. I'd like to stay with a 10-71 because I am set up for that. MSD crank trigger with large diameter cap on dist. Don't want to go offset drive this, set back that, spacers here and there.
    Thanks
    Wags
     
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    call this number it is mert littlefield ask for andy wilfong he is a blower goo roo very very smart myself I think i would have them send me a retro plate it is the pie opening..Dave Lowe
    714-992-9293
     
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    Hey Steve if you go retro you will need to set the blower back. Killing the distributor deal Craig
     
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    blower

    A high helix will make hundreds more horsepower than std rotors in the same case at the same od and boost. A Kobelco or other trick blower can pick up even more. The cheapest/easiest deal is to get a old 1471 hihelix maybe even non retro.Use the short crab cap distributor or drive it off the front of the engine.The market is full of 14's but 10-71's are hard to find.

    Mike
     
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    Hi Steve, you can also have them make you a plate with the pie opening and set it up standard, we have made several over the years..Dave
     
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    Is there any chance that one of you top guys could post a picture to show the difference between the H/H & the H/H retro as I'm not clear about the two. What are the advantages of the retro? What should minimum set back be?
     
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    This is not a retro, but a Hi-Helix (120 degree rotors)
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    A retro blower would have an even further cutout on the "pie" opening towards the front of the blower to where you can actually see a little of the front of the rotors.

    See the link below of one of JR's at RBS for a retro style case...

    http://www.rbssuperchargers.com/Store_Detail.cfm?ID=151742&InfoID=3921
     
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    So, a high helix has the small pie shaped cut out. The retro exposes the front of the rotors.
    High helix rotors do not go with a standard open bottom then, right?
    I probably should buy a worn out 14 and the crab cap deal. I only need the extra ass for 1 race. Easy enough swap.
    A cool Blower shop 10 with the 18 point strip sure would look good, though.
    Thanks
    Wags
     
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  9. overkill69

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    retro

    The retro setup will have the opening cut into the front bearing plate. The retro design doesn't gain nearly the power of the high helix rotor.
    A Kobelco superman has the rotors slid back in an extra long case and you can see the entire front of the rotor...kinda like extreme retro.
    I know you boat guys like polished blowers but an ugly black Kobelco makes those others look like tunnel rams.lol.
     
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  10. wagspe208

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    How much will the pie opening change my cylinder distribution. It is great now. I hate to start over.
    Boat guys...we are a bunch of characters. LOL

    Wags
     
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    I agree w/ Mike....going from standard 60 degree rotors to hi-helix 120 degree rotors is a huge increase. According to Littlefield, a "retro" case is another 150hp gain. I'm not sure if the delta or "pie" opening automatically suggests it's a hi-helix, just front discharge. But it does keep boost from creating heat on the bottom of the rotors. Most move the blower back a couple inches to get better distribution of air w/ a "pie" opening, whether it's a retro case or not.

    Josh Long
     
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    So, I could put high helix billet 18pt rotors in my case?
    Wags
     
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  13. wagspe208

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    Well, good things come to those who wait.
    My boat racing has an old 10-71 mooneyham competition piece in his garage. (I actually knew he had it but thought it was the same as mine) He said bolt it on and try it. If I like it replace it with a wore out 14. I have a ski Mooneyham 10 sitting on there. Everything "should" swap right over.
    Wags
     
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    The competition mooneyham was pretty played out. So back to this question...
    Will doing this make a few extra pounds of boost or some extra hp?
    Wags
     
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