BBC stock location starter ?

What are you guys using for a starter. I have a high compression alcohol injected 500 cu in deal. 16.2:1 compression. Is there a "combo" of a 12 volt battery or pair of 12 volt and a block mounted starter that will start it ?
Cirello did the Mag V that we use.

Any suggestions ?

 

starter/battery

What chassis is it going in? It is not that hard what you are trying to do. Just buy a GOOD starter and a good battery. The battery may depend on chassis. Don

 

Flatbottom boat.
I was thinking about two small 12 volt Odyssey batteries, in parallel, to keep the amps up? I have to be able to start it in gear in the water. V-Drive

 

I have been starting my 438" sbc with a 4.1" stroke, 16 to 1 for about 8 years now with a good Tilton starter (one replacement bendix) on one 12 volt $80.00 battery from Kragen Auto. 153 tooth flywheel. On gas with a Cirello sm 4. Keep it simple.

 

On my blown deal, I was using those Red Top Optima batteries. Wouldn't hardley get it to start in the water,,,, in fact about 1 out 15 tries, it would start. Put an Odyssey in it, the thing fires and goes on the first revolution ??
It would always start on the trailer no problem. It was starting it in the water in gear through the gear box that killed it.

 

starter barrery

Yes I have a friend that uses that battery in a blown alky deal and it starts every time for 2 years now. I always likes the CSI starters. Never had any problems at all. Don

 

Starter

CSR makes a dual battery switch that I am looking at. You hook 2- 12 volt batteries to it, it gives you 24 volts for starting and 12 volts for all your accessories. Plus you only need one 12volt charger. They also have a 24volt block mount Chevy starter. Its a little pricey but I think it would spin damn near any engine over.


My 2 cents
Corey

 

Another starter option.

I have a good friend with a 4x4 mud & rock truck, low speed, high hp, lots of heat sink from in chassis headers frequently sunk in muddy water, miserable conditions for the starter. He eventually bought a Mean Green starter, it wasn't cheap, but he is very very happy with it after several years on a 510 bbc.

They are on the web.

 

First of all, what are you flatbottom boat guys doing? Trying to wreck this site? This is top alcohol!
The meziers are the best starter out there, period. The CSI's are really good. The mini starters are cool, but so many makers, etc. Nipindenso style can fit things a little better. The Hitatchi style are good too. Lots of great starters out there from lots of good makers.
Batteries are more to the starting than the starters. I have never had any luck at all with an optima in a boat. I don't know why. Tried lots of them. One did not even make it one day in my Lavey. 1 good 16 volt deal will be enough to start your junk. The v-battery is the best we have found. They outlast the turbostarts, both in charge, and life of the battery. They have a 12 volt post as well, and they are really good people to work with.
Also, spin the thing a few revolutions before you lite the fire. That will really help things out.
Good to see you over here too. (I just can't escape this guy.)

 

Why in the world would you be starting the thing in gear???
I have been running the same blue optima battery for five years and a csi starter.The key to an optima battery is charge it on 8 amps or less only, never try to boost charge them.

 

Good info on the Optima deal. I may give that a try.
(Sorry to speak for him, but . . .) This is a circle boat, and that is why it would need to be started in gear.

 

I see lots of the CSI and CSR starters being answered. I have been looking at the Meziere ?

The thing has to be started in gear because ti has a "whirlaway" in it. A one way drive system on the driveshaft. If you start it out of gear, and bang it into gear while running, it kills the two "dogs" and that is $ 850 each time you do that.

Thanks for the input guys.

I know this is Top Alcohol, but even us boat guys find lots of help on here !

And the two boats do run alcohol, one is blown too

 

I use the CSR 24 volt smart start system with two red top optima batteries,turns over like the is no spark plugs!!

 

I use a Csr starter and a red top Optima battery, never a problem starting a 11.5:1 blown BBC.

Tim Steed

 

24 volts for sure. I just use the little chevy mini starter. My own tests show that it actually runs cooler spinning faster. Who knew? Haven't killed it yet... and if I do it's fairly cheap and readily available.
My local electrical guru just laughed when I inquired about a special 24 volt starter for this app.

IF that isn't enough you can go to a crank mounted blower starter and go up to 48 volts. Just so happens I have a mount kit available.
http://www.koehlerinjection.com/Koehler/GarageSale1/garagesale1.htm

Dave Koehler
http://www.koehlerinjection.com

 

Hi Dave, I drive the boat off the front end of the crank ( v-drive) !!!

The fuel tank is only a couple inches away from the flywheel !

Pretty much has to be mounted in the stock location.

I tried the 24 volt set up about 10 years ago. The starter was NOT happy about that. It would kick bAck some horrible. The thing starts very quick when not in the water. Maybe a full revolution or less. But in the water, turning 40 % od gears and a bif ear on the prop is a bad combo

 

OK, here is a thought. Make your own killer starter with not a lot of effort.
Friend of mine with a blown small block made one back before all the whiz bang stuff showed up. He is a John Deere Tech.
One day he is eyeballing one of the starters off of a tractor (4020 I believe). Hmmm, looks a GM only waaay longer. Sure enough. He bought a cast iron nose from Chevy and bolted it right on. Now this thing was darn near as long as the SB block but you couldn't kill it. He still has it but has since gone for the light weight deal. He did need to make a support bracket for the front of it.

PS: one needs a front bracket on any chevy starter regardless of mfg.

Dave Koehler
http://www.koehlerinjection.com

 

Hmmm, you have me thinking now !

 

i run a 511 blown alky chevy thats 12-1 with a 14-71 35% over & 1.80 in the box. the timing is 32* with a msd 44 & i use a super tilton w/a 16 volt & never had a problem. its a lake boat so you have to start it in gear. hope that helps you good luck