oil contaimination on spark plugs ???

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  1. crashly

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    guys,

    running a sbc , twin turbo mech injection
    after about 4 passes, i'm getting a honey brown colour on the electrode , and base ring of the spark plug.

    the ignition is msd 10 + , alternater ,
    29 deg locked
    ngk - 9 , v power , 3/4 reach , washer type
    23 deg dart pro 1 heads

    Nil additives in methanol...

    cylinder leak downs are 8- 10 % hot , 12-13 % cold
    after 1 run, ignition timing shows the burn mark on earth strap to be just around the radius.

    Nil cad burnt off base ring...
    no valve seals on intake or exhaust

    exhaust colour a dark grey

    would this be oil ???

    thanks
    ash
     
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  2. Mike Canter

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  3. Lorenzo

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    Crashley,
    You have to give all of the variables to take in. Is this the same engine with the torched cap and rotor you have on another post?
     
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  4. crashly

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    lorenzo:
    it was not my engine that was hurt
    i was saying my msd 10 does NOT do the roto burning thing


    cheers
    ash
     
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  5. crashly

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    mike,
    no not wet
    colour is honey brown , down to about 1-2 threads from earth strap, all way round.
    no, will not clean off.

    will "steal" a digital camera off my daughter, and post a pic.

    thanks

    ash
     
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  6. Mike Canter

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    The pictures you email indicate that the plugs have been in the car for 4 or more runs and have been driven back to the pits and also probably used as warmup plugs also. Being the case I would consider the plugs to be normally colored and cannot be read correctly for tuneup. My recommendation is to install at least one new plug after the warmup and after the run then pull off the track and find somewhere to park and pull that one plug and put in an old plug then you and us can look at that plug.
     
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  7. crashly

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    emails replied to
    thanks again for your time mike

    regards

    ash
     
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    Why no Valve seals!?! I ran valve seals on Bobby Baldwin's TF car,,, and personally would run them on everything. .0008 guide clearance is fine,, assemble with White Lithium grease. NEVER had a valve gall or "snatch" to the guide.
     
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  9. crashly

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    rang the guy about this subject..
    he said there was no room to put the seals on
    triple springs , 1.62 dia
    23 deg head


    you think it should have seals?
    what about the intake manifold pressure, would that stop lots of oil down guides?

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  10. crashly

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    AFTER TALKING TO MIKE AND OTHERS,
    i 'm starting to think it was not oil containation...

    the fuel in the car turned a yellowy colour over nite,.
    i used a mates fuel, and the drums he gave me were dusty ( old fuel ??)
    fuel gets filtered before going into car.

    on the fri nite tnt, it rained, car did not get wet....
    sat race day , i could "see" a yellow colour in fuel tank.

    i don't think anyone would have " dosed" up the fuel.....

    run the car to 1/8 mile only, funny colour on plugs, would not wash off.

    changed plugs , did the same again.
    lamdba reading .74


    ash
     
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  11. Mike Canter

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    Since a blower car always has positive pressure in the intake manifold and intakr runners valve guide seals are not normally required. With that positive pressure there is no way to suck oil past the guides and you might possible blow a seal off the end of the guide which can then tear up and pieces get into the motor.
     
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    Blowers and Vacuum

    When I bought my data logger (Performance Trends) they wanted me to by a PSI sender that could handle vacuum. I told them I NEVER have vacuum. Boy was I wrong, 30 lbs boost and when the butterflies close, vacuum!!
    I don't run valve guides seals, sure I have in the past but have not seen a difference between when I have them and when I don't.

    I can say for sure there is a little bit of vacuum on my 30 psi blown alky engines.:)
     
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  13. Mike Canter

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    But the run is over and the motor is not under load anymore and the oil preesure has dropped down and nothing is being pumped up anymore so it really doesn't count.
     
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    Pressure

    I do not run valve seals either but the statement of being under pressure wont allow the oil to get into the intake runners can be a false statement. I learned this lesson back in my chevy blower days when an intake gasket would begin to leak at the bottum and start sucking oil through the intake. With the velocity of air running through the intake this can actually cause a vortex and actually begin to suck the oil. This does not seem to happen through the valve seats as I believe this is because where it is in the runner but it can through you for a loop on a chevy with the smallest leak on a intake gasket.
     
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  15. Mike Canter

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    I believe I was only taking about valve guides and valve guide seals and that is what was asked in the question.:D
     
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    yeep i see what you mean.
    i did have a little problem with blowin g the intake gasket out...
    i had it ( intake) machined up, and repaired.....
    no crankcase pressure on the engine under boost found...

    thanks
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