8973 setup help

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  1. 37hemi

    37hemi New Member

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    Just bought a 8973 for my car. Bbc with a 12 amp promag and box. Running a powerglide. Need help with the setup of the wiring. All i reallly want from the box is to be able to pull timing out as and ramp it back in on the start line and down the track. I run a logger so i will be able to activate each setting by time. It seems to me that there is a lot of wires idont need. Do i need the retard steps?
     
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  2. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    No you don't need the Step Retards wired up. For what you want as a minimum you need:
    BLACK to ground, RED to 12 volt, VIOLET/GREEN to mag, DARK BLUE to transbrake button so 12 volts is applied when transbrake is pushed, YELLOW/YELLOW pluged into RPM chip plug on points box.

    Optional:
    GRAY to TACH, ORANGE/YELLOW o shift light
     
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  3. B.DOUCET

    B.DOUCET New Member

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    And always cycle the trans brake/dark blue wire before setting are checking base timing.
     
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  4. Big Russ

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    Yep, that's a good point ...I was nearly caught out on that one but why does it show a different base timing when it hasnt been triggered?

    And then the right base timing afterwards?

    Sorry to hijack the post ....

    Russ
     
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  5. Mike Canter

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    It will ONLY show different timing if you have a timing curve set up at your idle RPM in the Launch Retard Graph or in the Run Retard Graph on the right side of the computer screen. If you have zero straight across or zero at your idle RPM on both of them it will not change.
     
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  6. B.DOUCET

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    I use the time retard graph with some timing out with the blue wire activated. When i fire the engine, the amount out on the first line will be out when checking the timing. If I cycle the blue wire and let it run through it's timing function, it returns to the correct base timing that the crank trigger is set at.
     
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  7. Mike Canter

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    Yes, you are correct that if you use Time Retard vice Launch Retard then when you depress the transbrake button and put 12 volts on the blue wire then it retards right away but the timer does not start until the button is released. The Launch Retard (not the graph) in the Data Editer applies the Retard when the transbrake button is released and NOT when it is depressed. The Time Retard appears to be better most of the time on Converter cars and the Data Editer Launch Retard is better on clutch cars. Either way this will not change the timing immediately after the initial engine start as long as the transbrake button is NOT held in so it will not mess up checking the ignition timing. Regardless it is always good to hit the transbrake button one time after the engine start to put the 8973 in the GO status.
     
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  8. Big Russ

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    Hi Mike

    I have had the same experience as B. Doucet.

    There is no rpm curve - no launch curve - just a time curve.

    But I think the key is that there is timing out @ 0.0 seconds ....

    To explain further - I have 4.0* out @ 0.0 seconds - start my engine and check timing -it shows 22* (not 26*) but cycle the blue wire (run) and it then goes back to 26*.

    I figure this is pretty important because I didnt discover this til after having the engine out but I use a crank trigger so I knew it was in the right position and the difference had to be the 8973. If I had changed the timing by 4* I figure I would be buying some new parts

    Again, apologies to the original poster for the hijack ....

    Russ
     
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  9. Mike Canter

    Mike Canter Top Dragster
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    Well I live and learn something new everyday. I didn't realize that on a Time Retard it took that timing out on the startup. I have never tuned a car with a 8973 using a Time Retard so I have never experienced that. I totally understand what you are saying and thanks I will file it away in my brain.
     
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  10. JustinatAce

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    The new Power Grid does NOTHING when you pull timing out @ 0.00 from launch, it runs straight off the mag/trigger. You have to pull the timing @ 0.01 for it to work. That was a scary few minutes in the pit. lol.
     
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  11. Blownalky

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    My Power Grid pulls it out at 0.00. I pull the same amount out for .25 seconds and then start the ramp so I wonder if that makes a difference. Are you ramping back in right after the launch?
     
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  12. JustinatAce

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    It depends on how you have your main timing set I suppose in reference. We just noticed because we wanted to run just straight -3 off the mag the whole lap. So I set the timing at 0.00 -3.0 in the first launch box. Hit the switch when we were warming up and guess what didn't happen when we had the timing light on it. Put it to 0.01 and it yanked it right out.

    Since you're ramping back in, your function was different than ours as you had another point for the system to gauge another reference. I just gave it a single point to do something, and it was right at 0.00, so I think it confused it.

    Just thought I would share for everyone else's benefit.
     
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